Zuckerberg's AI Clone Is on the Clock

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Coming up next, Jeff Jarvis and I dig in to Apple's unannounced and pretty premium AI smart glasses project. We've got some details from Mark Gurman there. Mark Zuckerberg, on the other hand, building an AI avatar of himself to attend his meetings. I'm kind of wondering if he wants to be CEO these days and why the Wayback Machine is under serious threat.

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That's coming up on this next episode of the AI and side podcast.

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Hello everybody, and welcome to another episode of the AI Inside Podcast, the show where we take a look at the AI that is layered throughout the world of technology. And I'm one of your host, Jason, now joined, as always, by Jeff Jarvis from his studio slash study slash. But scriptorium surrounded by books. Yeah. Scriptorium. There we go. Like it?

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Good to see you, Jeff. Good to see you here. I put piecing this this week's episode together. I feel like every week there's usually, like, a thing that's like, oh, well, clearly that's the top story. And this week, I. I didn't feel that as much. I don't know if it's like a mythos hangover. Yeah, but it's like, I don't know, nothing seems as important or whatever, but it was what was going to be one of the big stories got got blown away.

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There were rumors that Nvidia was going to buy a PC maker, but then they shot that Dell and HP stock went up because those are the two likely candidates. And it'd be really cool if suddenly you have Nvidia inside. Yeah, your own Blackwell chip. But now they denied it. So that what that story is a puff of smoke denied it.

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But could they just be denying it for now? It would be like, you know, do you know, how do you how do you approach that in a denial, even if it represents partial truth? I don't know, and we don't really want to report on speculation because sometimes it happens, sometimes it doesn't. We want to report on the stuff that's happening.

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So, that what I was excited about and then gone. Yeah. Well, and then there's the and we don't have this in the rundown. I was, I was kind of happy that that you didn't put it in the considerations or maybe you didn't. I didn't see it. But the whole Altman home. Yeah I didn't I didn't start. Do we want to encourage like it's not it's not really AI specific and it's just kind of yucky.

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Like that's a world. It's one that room, potentially disturbed or very wrong person doing something right. And, you know, I think that the journalistic reflex is to try to find a trend in this. This is how, overall anger at AI is coming out. No, you can't really make that connection. We wouldn't want to make that connection.

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Do we want to encourage any such behavior? So. Yeah. So we just said we're not going to talk about it while talking about it, but we're done. That's okay. We didn't talk very deeply about it and we're done. So why don't we talk about smart glasses? Because that's fun. Because it gives me PTSD every time it comes off of my Google Glass.

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But go ahead, Jason. Go ahead. But but seriously, what we're talking about here is not Google creating smart glasses, although they are. And I do wonder at one point we're going to start hearing more about the Astro glasses and everything. Maybe a Google IPO. I'll we've been saying that for like two years, and it's partially true, each time.

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But this is Apple we're talking about and Apple, as we know, is a company that, you know, some people might balk at this, but I think a lot of times Apple is the company that comes in to a category and sprinkles their Apple magic there. They're often late to that category, but they do something inside of that category that makes it seem like they've given it the life it needed to actually work.

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Unknown
So. So hold on, hold on. There was. So Apple created the, iPod. It created the iPhone and smartphone category. Those were it created. Where does it come in? Afterwards. Well, so I mean, and I mean, even with iPod, like it's, you know, there were plenty of there were MP3 media devices before. Okay. All right. But but but to my point, Apple then came in late.

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If you consider those other you know, little. It was a vision didn't care about or used and they were horrible. They came in and they redefined it. Okay. So you know so that worked in that regard. Yep. One way where this isn't working so well for Apple would be the Vision Pro, because while they did create a VR headset that was that is really well designed and the experience is great.

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Like you know, they did sprinkle their apple magic on it. And if you've used it like it's a pretty impressive device, but it has not taken the world by storm, you know, even Mark Gurman in his reporting on Bloomberg, he calls it a pretty much a failure. And so it doesn't always work that way. No, it doesn't.

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And so maybe it won't work that way with smart glasses, but Mark Gurman has been, reporting about this to targeting, and I'm sorry I can't show you the full article because Bloomberg covers half the page. It's expensive. Yeah, because it's expensive. Targeting late 26, early 27 unveiling and then sometime in 27 release. And the way Apple is supposedly working on this, according to Bloomberg's reporting, improved materials.

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Unknown
So you know, the meta bands, while they are definitely the big sign of success in this, in this kind of world so far, they're plasticky, you know, sunglasses frames. And apparently Apple is working on four different design styles high end acetate materials. So I don't know, upgraded you know, look, look a little bit more premium maybe they've got rectangular slim rectangular.

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The slim rectangular. It looks similar supposedly to Tim Cook's glasses. So you know Tim Tim's like if you're going to make these, you better make them the fit me to also larger oval, smaller oval styles definitely going more luxurious. And that kind of makes sense because Apple, I think, sees itself as a luxury brand to us with luxury pricing.

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Unknown
With luxury pricing. Yeah, it does make me wonder, like how much would these cost? Not meant to be standalone, glasses. Meant to be a true peripheral that connects to your iPhone the way we're kind of used to with the other smart glasses. Many of them are not standalone. Some of them that are like they just the battery can't support it.

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All the on device stuff that it you know that users expect it to do so. And I think this is important. It's something that's instantly recognizable as Apple's because I think it is like like like we said, it's a luxury brand. It's also kind of a status symbol. It's like when you're wearing an Apple Watch. Yeah, it's a watch and it does lots of cool things, but it's also a piece of jewelry that kind of shows like you're you're in this world and in my experience these days, I see the watch as a niche product.

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Unknown
I don't see that many. I mean, if you live where you live, you see a lot more of them than I do here. And in real America. I think the watch, the glasses, just like, voice assistants on the desk, remain niches. Remain. Yeah. Needing to kind of still prove. Yeah that there's something there beyond the, the tech you know, the tech folks that want it for whatever reason they want it like is does this reach out in a way that the iPod did right.

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Unknown
Everyone or back in the day the laptop or the iPhone or the laptop. Right. Or the those reforms that you just had to have soon? There's limited easy to make the case that everybody needs that or that this is the wave of the future for everyone. Smart glasses are much smaller. Yeah, kind of like if you don't have one of those things, you're weird.

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Unknown
Yeah, right. Yeah, I definitely don't see it when you put it that way. I definitely don't see that with smart glasses. I mean, because it's it's a lot to say. You know what? Like, like our faces is possibly our most premium real estate, right? It's our most identifiable characteristic as humans, as we navigate this world. And to decide, I want to put this thing on my face, you know, you you've got to be really convincing.

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Unknown
Even Apple has to be really convincing. Why someone wants to put that thing on their face. Yeah. No matter. Yeah. No matter the great things it does for you. Just from a looks standpoint, it's really important. You know, as you're talking, I'm, I'm.

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The other thing it's not a must have but comes a lot closer is earbuds. I think most people I don't know what the I don't know what the penetration is but I think it's a, it's very, very common to have your buds. Yes. And, and with that small size try to get any battery that they can make it do much like smart stuff is difficult.

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There's no camera, there's no input from it. You wonder what other options there are there. Obviously the wearables, the, the, the, the brooches you can put on. Right. Yeah. Lis. Yeah I, I just don't know I think the other problem, Jason, is I don't think the voice interface has been, truly established. Yeah. As, as, like the way that has, have these companies proven to people that that's the way they want to interact with.

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Unknown
Yeah. Or would choose to interact with these things. Yeah. It may take a whole next generation to not be used to typing. Yeah. Well, I mean, it's not like voice interaction hasn't been around for a long time. It has. I think it's really come into its own in the last couple of years and especially the last year, where, you know, having a voice conversation with, say, like, you know, ChatGPT or Gemini or whatever, it's a lot more natural now than it's ever been.

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Unknown
But still, I wonder, yeah, I wonder how much people are actually doing that. I know more and more when I interact with these chat bots. I'm using my voice just purely because they're good enough at parsing what I mean when I stumble and stutter in just rambling, my thought versus me being kind of manicured and what I type, what I the words I choose not to like put onto the page.

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Now more and more I'm just rambling and this is what I'm thinking about it. La la la la la la la la la la la. You know, and I just talked to it instead of and it's not I'm not talking to it because I'm talking to someone. No, I'm just talking to it because it's faster. It's faster for me to just say the thing and move on than it is for me to think the thing, put it into my fingers, type it out appropriately, and then hit enter.

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You know, and I don't know that that has translated to everyone yet. Maybe it will, but maybe it won't. Yeah, yeah. All right. Well, since we're both Android boys, when Apple does come up with the glasses, we're probably going to be looking from afar. Yeah. I mean, I'll be I will definitely be curious, but, you know, same same as, I was curious with Vision Pro, I never bought the Vision Pro.

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Unknown
I did go into the Apple Store and get, like, their half hour demo or whatever, where you sit down with someone and they take you through the whole experience and everything. And literally these two will be that, that one of the paths for the Apple glasses reportedly, obviously is to use Siri. Yeah, but series going to be powered by Gemini.

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Unknown
Yeah, yeah. So in a way you're dealing with Google and and we Google people. We Android people won't have the same means to deal with it. Yeah, that that is interesting. And I continue to wonder how much users will actually know about the Gemini. Yeah. Underpinnings know. You know, is it truly a white label thing or is that surfaced in some way?

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Unknown
Yeah. I mean, these glasses, it's not like the capabilities of these glasses from what Gurman is reporting has been reporting is any different than anything we've we've done with these things before, you know, taking photos, videos, phone calls, notifications, controlling your music. Like you said, voice assistant Siri, handsfree, control of different things, maybe on your device or whatever.

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Unknown
But I think the bigger part of this isn't necessarily that that it does those things. But as Apple is very is very good at because it controls, it's a whole ecosystem. It's how well it integrates the glasses control of those things on a deeper level with the hardware that Apple also produces, you know, more so than just this is a Bluetooth accessory that connects to your phone and can intercept phone calls.

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But Apple does a really good job of taking those kind of hooks and integrating them into the experience on some sort of deeper level. I'm sure they're going to have that, but I don't know what that would be and whether that would be enough for someone to be like, okay, now I get it. Now I gotta have one of those.

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Unknown
Yeah. So we shall see. As we often say at the end of a story, we shall see. It's so true. Yeah. I mean, it's true every time we will see if we're if we're, if we're around long enough to see it, we will certainly see. Yeah. I think overall, you know, our smart glasses, a badge that people are willing to wear that Apple users are willing to wear, and, yeah, I guess we'll find out.

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Unknown
Speaking of meta, but not speaking of glasses, there is. Let's see here another article I can't get to because I'm behind the paywall. Or in front of the paywall, I guess. Matt. So let's see here, CEO Mark Zuckerberg has apparently been creating an AI avatar for himself. And primarily this is the sort of thing that can sit in on company meetings so that he doesn't have to be in the meetings.

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Unknown
And, it has been developed or designed to reflect his mannerisms, his tone, it knows his public statements, his strategic thinking, where he's at and the Financial Times article mentions how it's meant to help staff, quote, feel more connected to him, which I think is hilarious. And if I were working at better, you know, the one question I want to ask of Mark is, can I have a raise?

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Unknown
Avatar. Yeah, avatar Mark can be raised. Do you have the authority? Come on. Yeah. Come on, just do it. Just just put it through right. You have the power. I deserve it. And some stock to give me a little more. So there's got to be some way to prompt your way into a raise. Yeah, yeah. With avatar, it would be a beautiful thing, wouldn't it?

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Unknown
That would be amazing. Maybe you'd be rewarded with the raise because you figured it out and they were able to kind of. You used more tokens to do it? Yeah, they like that too. Yeah. Right. Right. I don't know, it kind of sounds like maybe Zuckerberg is going through a bit of a midlife crisis. It's like, I'm CEO of this company.

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I don't know if I want to be. I'd rather be coding because that's another part of this. Apparently he's been coding all day long, alongside Superintelligence Labs, lead Alexander Wang and, or Wang and Nat Friedman. He's also been reviewing AI products from, meta staff, and he says he's just doing it to understand it on a deeper level, which I can understand if you're if you're in that position and AI is as powerful and as as big a moment for the company as it seems to be, you probably want to understand it on a on a deeper level, but the Wall Street Journal version of this story of the empty story,

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says that employees are excited inside, that they feel like it's the early days of Facebook, move fast, break things. So they're using, such tools as my claw to have access to their chat logs and work files and go to go talk to the colleagues and the colleagues on agents on their behalf. Another tool is called second brain.

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Unknown
Somewhere between a chat bot, an agent is gaining momentum internally, according to people, their second brain was built by a meta employee on top of Claude and can index and query documents for projects, among other uses. On the internal post announcing it to staff, the employee said it is meant to be like an AI chief of staff.

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Unknown
There's even an internal messaging group where employee the Journal says we're, employees, personal agents talk to each other. Very old book, and they bought a book. So, we have Meta's new agent coming out. We have, Mark, have you been an avatar before? Without legs. And now he's an avatar without form entirely and with a brain.

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Unknown
And so you could talk to him. Yeah. Okay. All right. Let's just hope he doesn't hallucinate. Stays on task, stays on target. So in five years, I was going to say ten years. But maybe that's just putting it too far out in five years. Our CEO's going to be a mixture of human and agent. No, I mean like no, because.

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Unknown
Because people are going to game it. Yeah. Because you can't control what it is. The, you know, the fact that they hire not only external comms people, but internal comms people mean that the internal communication is the most tightly controlled thing in a corporation. For all kinds of reasons. For unionization, for liability, all kinds of reasons. No, this is this this is not going to be there's not really much uptake on this idea.

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Unknown
This is this is a gimmick that you would expect Mark to do. Yeah. I wonder, I wonder at what point Zuckerberg realizes that, you know, like what what is the moment at which they're like, okay, this doesn't this doesn't actually work. It's a great idea, but it's it's just not quite what I suppose another way to position it is not that your discussion is you could have used what would Zuck do, in the sense that you could throw a question at something that that has his, DNA in it?

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Unknown
Yeah, I guess, but even that's to eliminate the company is not one person. It's it's a gimmick. Yeah. Well, and I also want to know, like, how good is this avatar? Like, if it is a visual digital avatar, like, how good is it? I mean, this which kind of reminded me and I put it in here because I saw it the other day as a little bit of a tangent.

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Unknown
But, I mean, I think directly connected to that is that I was walking the dogs, and as I do sometimes. Okay, let me let me share this differently because let's see here because the way I'm sharing it right now, you're not going to hear anything. And I was kind of looking for, some Claude Co-work content to, to zero in on just because I've been really going down the wormhole with clockwork, by the way.

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Unknown
Still really enjoying it and getting a lot out of it. And I came across this channel for Julian McCoy, 283,000 subscribers, and the video was, ten. Claude AI skills. That'll save you 20 hours per week. I mean, you see a billion of you all the time. One full week. I. Can you hear that? On every single task.

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Unknown
My team normally handles writing, coding, research, data analysis, strategy, edited project, repurposing, financial. That I'm the last results. I'm honestly still processing what happened. But you know, it's it's edited well. It's got her stand up. It's cutting through work. You know, the whole video edited in a way that people have, you know, figured out, used to seeing a lot of videos out there.

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Unknown
And, hey, it took me six minutes before I finally looked at this closer. I was like, oh my God, that's a digital avatar. Even though she says it at the very top, she's like, here I am. In reality, you see me put this on this video. The videos on the channel are a digital avatar of her less than first.

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Unknown
But I gotta say, it's really convincing. Yeah it does. Yeah. It's one of the first times where I was like, for a long period of time, pretty, pretty unaware. But then once I noticed, then I started looking closer at it, I was like, oh, okay, I see the tunnels. I just wasn't paying close attention, but it just kind of has me thinking like, man, we really are getting to the point to where these things can exist on their own.

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Unknown
You know, this is probably generated along with, you know, a bunch of other scripts that she has in some energetic process somewhere that can just kind of throw together these avatars on these topics. And maybe she's involved with writing the scripts and everything, but she doesn't have to actually be in it. It's just really convincing, really interesting that we're here.

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Unknown
I stand to be. I stand to be proven wrong. I think we should put in a request to interview the, virtual Zuck on the show.

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Unknown
Do you think he'd say yes? Could we convince him to say yes? How could we? How can we jailbreak virtual Zuck and get him in here? That's a good question. I would love to jailbreak Virtual Zuck. And who knows what you would do once you've got it. But Zuck. Zuck. We'll work on that. We'll see what we can do.

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So if you don't want to hear ads on the show, well, you can just support us on Patreon and those get removed for you. We are going to take a break. Then when we get back, we will talk a little bit about OpenAI's response to mythos, to Cloud mythos. I don't know if it's a direct response, but it's something.

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Unknown
We'll talk about it here in a moment.

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Unknown
Okay. We've got let's see here. Open AI hoping not to miss out on the news cycle that was related to cloud mythos and its cybersecurity prowess that we talked about, last week and the week before. Both of those episodes did really well on YouTube. So people are very interested in mythos right now, including open AI, apparently.

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Unknown
I don't you know, they probably had this certainly they had this in the cooking, cooking well before mythos hit the scene. But GPT 5.4, Dash, cyber. So it's not like a new model entirely. The way anthropic is, is positioning mythos. It is an extension of 5.4. Almost seems like it's been fine tuned, which is some of what the community is saying about this is not the same.

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Unknown
It's just a fine tuned version of of GPT, you know, related to cybersecurity. So it's targeting the model at finding software security flaws. They're doing a similar thing, as anthropic seeding it to only a small group inside of its Trusted Access for Cyber program. And then eventually opening it up, to a wider range of, of people.

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Unknown
But we talked about it last week. This is like coming from everybody. Here we go. Here's here's another one, right. The argument about mythos was that it's not that it was that it's a general model. It's not that it was fine tuned for security. It just turned out to be so good that cyber security was was was it its wheelhouse?

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Unknown
Yes. This case, this seems to be a model fine tuned. It seems to be loosely anthropic started, project Last Wing to bring in important players, including people who were involved in anthropic IPO. It's been pointed out, investors anthropic, but the cynical take nonetheless. If project if we were in fact a syndicate of the company's most concerned about cybersecurity, then, it should become, my view, a standalone, separate organization and open AI should release it to the same group.

00:24:11:15 - 00:24:36:19
Unknown
Oh, so that everybody's contributing to the same. Oh, that's an interesting idea, right? If if what we're trying to say that we're trying to protect the security of the internet technology, then fine, then let's create that organization and let's all put into it, all these companies, I don't know, crap, but the companies that do and, make sure that they're as secure as humanly possible or as a genetically possible.

00:24:36:21 - 00:25:05:14
Unknown
That's spot on. I totally agree with that, because, yeah, if they truly feel that this is as important and as dangerous and something to get ahead of, why not? Yeah. Why not? Why not pool the resources and make sure everybody's, playing towards the same goal instead of using it as a differentiation point that then kind of pits the capabilities of these things against each other and creates a more hostile marketplace, potentially.

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Unknown
So the times says the New York Times says that, it will share its new system with hundreds of members of its Trusted Access for Cyber program, which it unveiled in February as a way to share technologies with cybersecurity professionals and partners. So put them together. Okay? Why the heck not? I wonder if that. I wonder if the that will end up happening at some point.

00:25:28:04 - 00:26:03:07
Unknown
I could totally see that being the direction that this goes, potentially. I mean, I guess that would mean that I've got to ask friend Craig Newmark about this because he cares deeply about cybersecurity. And it strikes me is that is what you need is a is it is a third party or a fourth party, or as it may be, a trusted party to become a repository of these efforts that guarantees that the access is limited to those companies, those organizations, that learnings are shared.

00:26:03:09 - 00:26:27:00
Unknown
That would be important for cybersecurity. I might give Craig a call to see what he has to say. Indeed. I'd love to hear that. Yeah. Do we think that OpenAI has gotten as much attention for their efforts as, it's constantly, Johnny, come lately for OpenAI? Yeah, yeah. It's okay. OpenAI. You'll be at the top of the heap again.

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Unknown
I'm sure you just keep working on it. It'll happen. Curious to know about what you thought about this. Certainly. The Internet Archive is just a topic that I'm constantly curious about, because it's a resource that I care about, and I don't want it to ever go away. According to The Wire, they say the tool is in peril.

00:26:47:18 - 00:27:12:28
Unknown
Primarily because a lot of major news organizations are blocking or throttling their content to the Wayback Machine, which is the the kind of service that the, the Internet Archive has to document and catalog the history of the internet over time. So, you know, USA today, New York Times, Guardian, Reddit, others blocking their content from hitting the Wayback Machine.

00:27:12:28 - 00:27:34:24
Unknown
Not because at least my understanding is not because the Wayback Machine, they fear, is going to do something bad with it, but because it gives AI companies a workaround, of access to their data, which they are already trying to block. AI companies from being able to, you know, use in their model training or scrape from the site.

00:27:34:26 - 00:27:55:05
Unknown
And so in essence, they're not blocking because they don't want internet Archive to do it. Or maybe some of them do, I don't know, but because it opens the door for the use of their work across AI company training, outside of those walls. So, in a word, this really pisses me off. Yeah, I thought it might.

00:27:55:07 - 00:28:15:21
Unknown
Yeah. Almost as much as Google pisses me off in a story, we'll get to a lot in a few minutes. And you can guess what that is, folks. So this is it's just, outright irresponsible. That news companies try to, erase their history to to block their history. Yes, they have paywalls. Yes, they have all that.

00:28:15:24 - 00:28:43:27
Unknown
But but we use archives so that we can be a better informed society. And news is part of that. And you have a role in that. And, it, it irritates the hell out of me that we see, these folks, cutting off. And I'm trying to remember, so about two years ago now, I ran an event in New York about AI and the right to learn and an open internet, with, the wonderful organization whose name I'm forgetting.

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Unknown
It was our first interview on the very show we had, with under the, Are you talking about when we were a twit or. No. Here, here. Oh. With a sprinter. That's like your to crawl. Thank you. With, That's right. And so common crawl foundation. Same problem. They took things that were on the open and free internet.

00:29:07:20 - 00:29:28:12
Unknown
They don't go behind paywalls. That old. Anything bad? And yet the New York Times and others were coming to them insisting that their their past be erased. And this is bad for the public record. It's bad for society. It's bad all around and and the larger and so. Well, they're demonizing AI here. Well it's a it's a, it's a back roads that I can get it.

00:29:28:12 - 00:29:51:21
Unknown
How dare they. And they owe us. Well we've had this discussion on the show many times first. And there's fair use and transformative use, which I think I is second, get over yourself. Your content isn't that valuable in terms of what's necessary for training. There's lots of ways to train AI on human grammar and speech. And there'll be separate deals for rag.

00:29:51:24 - 00:30:21:24
Unknown
As I've said all along. Third, we have a moral responsibility for better AI. Now, I companies have a moral responsibility to do that in a way that doesn't harm providers of reliable information, but providers of reliable information have a moral responsibility, I think, to find the ways to be included, because we it is clear we are all using AI now, and the worse AI is, the worse society is for it.

00:30:21:27 - 00:30:48:28
Unknown
So this is, is is close minded, petty, short sighted, behavior. But I expect nothing less from my former colleagues in the news business because that's the way they always operate, in this case. And, and you know, book publishers went after the Wayback machine, and, and, now news publishers are going after them, and it's just stupid, and it's damaging.

00:30:49:00 - 00:30:52:10
Unknown
And,

00:30:52:13 - 00:31:11:09
Unknown
I don't know what happens except shaming them. So I'm glad that they've come out and allowed the Wired's write about this. But until we see some kind of outcry, which I'm not hearing. Yeah, right. They're going to keep getting away with it. They're just going to keep erasing our cultural memory. Yeah. That's good. Yeah. Very bad.

00:31:11:09 - 00:31:34:09
Unknown
And the article also does a good job of pointing out, you know, that the local a lot of like local journalism, local media that, you know, that does a good job of, historically speaking, of kind of helping to preserve the word of the, the major reporting and the and the news stories and spreading that and everything.

00:31:34:11 - 00:31:58:27
Unknown
Those are going away largely. And so the Internet Archive becomes, a way of kind of carrying the burden of preserving that journalism in the absence of a lot of local, publications that are disappearing. And, you know, that is used in, in ways like providing evidence in court cases and a whole lot of other aspects that have nothing to do with AI.

00:31:59:00 - 00:32:23:18
Unknown
And that's, you know, the the Internet Archive. I love their work. I love their their mission. And I continue to want to shine a light anytime that's under threat, because it saddens me to think about that, that as an, as a resource going away. Yeah, I wish I'd known about this letter of protest in time and I would have signed it, but I was late to the deadline.

00:32:23:21 - 00:32:53:07
Unknown
You know, I think where this goes is training for training. They don't need us anymore. The value of that goes down. Any deals that are done for data at a general purpose will be for cover your ass. So don't sue me. Don't. Don't lobby against me, okay? We did a deal. That's all it is. However, for rag, for the ability to present current information outside of training, coding in full.

00:32:53:10 - 00:33:15:25
Unknown
There will be deals, but those deals are not going to be wealthy. I think there should be some revenue sharing there if there's revenue to be had. I think that's fine philosophically, but the media companies shouldn't get their hopes up, that this is going to save them. Oh because it eight and we need a realistic conversation about this and we just haven't had it.

00:33:15:27 - 00:33:42:00
Unknown
Yeah yeah I tried. Yeah. You know we went so far. Keep fighting the good fight. And keep keep yourself relevant which is kind of the theme of this next story. This one I did not see coming. This was like this morning. I'm getting ready and I'm like, I'm just go check tech meme. I had this whole rundown all dialed in and ready to go.

00:33:42:06 - 00:33:58:22
Unknown
And then I looked at Tech Meme and I was like, wait a minute, Allbirds, the shoe company. What the heck is going on here? I thought, this is hilarious. I do actually have a pair of Allbirds shoes, and they're great. Craig Newmark Speaking of Craig, Craig is a fan of Allbirds. He's here to speak to them way back when, they hit me so well.

00:33:58:23 - 00:34:15:25
Unknown
But yeah, they were nice shoes. Yeah. You know, they're the they're, like, fully made of wool. Well, they're wool fabric shoes and they're just, I don't know, I find them very comfortable. They had my size, which I wear a large, size shoe and narrow foot, and they had it, and it fits really great. And I was like, yay!

00:34:15:27 - 00:34:34:25
Unknown
I found a shoe that I can start to wear because they've been around for a while. My wife had been wearing them. I'd heard of them, apparently a big Silicon Valley, darling for a number of years. Well, it turns out they did that one thing really well. But then when they wanted to expand and other types of shoes and other directions couldn't pull that off.

00:34:34:25 - 00:35:01:23
Unknown
And so they saw a peak valuation of around $4 billion. And just last week, the company was sold for $39 million, which. Wow, that's, that's quite a drop. Unfortunately, they could not pivot then. And so this means that stores are going to close. Shoes will continue to sell online for any of you who might want to still buy the shoes, at least for the foreseeable future, who the heck knows?

00:35:01:25 - 00:35:28:16
Unknown
But why are we even talking about this on an AI show? Why are we Jason? Because within this sale, the company is now also recasting itself as an AI compute infrastructure company called New Bird AI because that's what you do. They might as well and they went WTF? It's so weird. I mean, okay, it had an immediate impact on Wall Street, by the way.

00:35:28:18 - 00:35:49:11
Unknown
Sent their stock from less than $3 per share, up to $13 per share. So there's that, I guess. But, you know, the company has plans to raise up to $50 million to buy AI hardware, and then their plan is to lease it out under long term contracts. And that's the new business for the shoe company.

00:35:49:14 - 00:36:08:06
Unknown
There you go. Go figure. I don't know I don't understand why you build this on. If you want to build that company, fine. Why are you building it on top of the the, the skeleton of Allbirds? I don't get that. That I think is the big kind of. Yeah, the the head scratcher. It's like, wait, what?

00:36:08:09 - 00:36:30:27
Unknown
How do these things have anything to do with each other? There's probably someone playing three dimensional chess out there that I just don't understand. Well. And the other fascinating thing was that part of the reason that Allbirds was hot was environmental. Yeah. Oh that's true. That's a good point, right? Yes. And, there was it was the environmentally good shoe arrives at the river.

00:36:30:27 - 00:36:51:28
Unknown
How they did that. But before there wasn't leather. Right. So the the company, according to CNN, the company disclosed in the filing with the SEC that new bird. I will be less focused on environmental conservation. Oh. Come on. No, I don't want to sign up for the new CNN. Look, that's old bird. Yeah, old bird.

00:36:52:03 - 00:37:16:05
Unknown
Bird, Karen. But all bird scraps. Nothing. So as part of, shareholder vote next month is asking for approval of a charter amendment to remove references to the company operated in service of that public benefit. Oh, boy. Oh, screw the environment. Let's build data centers. Yes, build data centers. Why? Because that's where all of our silicon Valley, buyers from the past, that's what they do.

00:37:16:09 - 00:37:42:08
Unknown
Why don't we play the same game that they play? So the story we couldn't have predicted here today, that definitely could not have predicted this. I had been following the news of Allbirds kind of rise and fall and a little from a sad perspective because like I said, like, I don't often find clothing brands or whatever that, that I connect with because I'm so tall and my sizes are so different than the norm that it's usually difficult for me to find things that I like.

00:37:42:10 - 00:37:59:16
Unknown
And so finding the shoes, I was like, oh well, cool. Here's a brand that I can buy more of, and I guess I can, but and probably will buy another pair of shoes at some point. But, it's just well, so check out since, since, since we've become a fashion show today. Yeah. Check out this vine.com.

00:37:59:19 - 00:38:24:29
Unknown
Because I wear these shoes. GISS incom. They're Austrian wool shoes. I quite like them. They aren't in the I, they're not in the I business. No. Nope. Okay. Those they are, but they also have, they have a shoe that looked like the somewhere here they were. They had. I don't know if they still have it or not.

00:38:25:01 - 00:38:54:16
Unknown
A shoe that looked like, the Allbirds, if they were before the Allbirds, they've been around for a long time. Well, here you go. Okay, I will I will, Merino. Sure. Check that out. The merino. Sure. Yeah, that's. There it is. That that's what that looks like. All right. Yeah. I mean, yeah, the the kind of wool fabric, I mean, similar prices to these kinds of shoes are not inexpensive.

00:38:54:18 - 00:39:14:11
Unknown
But they are comfortable. They're very comfortable. And for more than you want to know, since we're completely off topic because of my broken back, I can't lean over to tie shoes. That'll come, I think, after my physical therapy. But the guess finds I got back out of the closet because they're very easy to pull on. They're wonderful shoes.

00:39:14:13 - 00:39:45:05
Unknown
Okay, excellent. I had never heard of them before. We should start our own trend in Silicon Valley with geese. Fine. He's fine. And, people will will continue to spell it incorrectly into their Google search and hopefully be corrected. It doesn't sell the way waves. It's the second vowel. Okay. I was always pronounced e yai as pronounced I, so geese mine g I swear IN0, interesting.

00:39:45:08 - 00:40:14:03
Unknown
Okay, I hadn't known that fact. There you go. I will look into that little fun fact around all birds. Is that, my wife's gym? She used to own a gym downtown San Francisco for a number of years. Shut down because, at least partially because in the building that she was in, all birds, was operating out of all of the floors above her, and they eventually wanted the floor below them.

00:40:14:05 - 00:40:33:27
Unknown
And so she ended up getting pushed out. There you go. Where to go? All birds. You got the space. But that's okay. It all worked out in the end. You can put a data center there. Yeah. I mean for. Yes, they I wonder if they still have that building actually some are looking at this and being like oh C bubble.

00:40:33:27 - 00:40:56:24
Unknown
This is pure bubble topic. But I don't know who the heck knows. We'll continue saying bubble until we're proven wrong or not proven. That's just how it goes. I love this next story and I put this in here not because it's important but because it's fun. And this is a new site that I think you should know about.

00:40:56:24 - 00:41:19:00
Unknown
It's called I slop bores me. And if I slop bores you then you go to I slop bores me or I your I slop bores me. And let's see here I can I'm over the age of 13. I agree to follow the rules. Yes. I'm a good person. Don't believe you. Gives you all of the rules.

00:41:19:00 - 00:41:42:23
Unknown
You have to. You have to larp as an I a couple of times to gain, credits. So I'm going to go ahead and and Larp as I. And from a human it says, what is an out-of-context quote you heard today? Oh, boy. That's a good yes. That's a good question. I have to answer this. Skip prompts you can't answer.

00:41:42:23 - 00:42:06:22
Unknown
You won't be placed back in the queue. Will receive your next available prompt. If you skip quickly. How about, don't spell geese vine the way it sounds? Sure. Okay, I'll go ahead and throw that one off. I now have a single credit. Now I can do another one. Let's see here. And you got to wait.

00:42:06:22 - 00:42:33:22
Unknown
Draw a pickle. Having a swim in a martini with an olive. Boy, how do I do this and have it not look weird? There's a pickle. Having a swim and a martini. A little water going across. Yeah, right. There's a little stem, little, vodka and an olive. Okay. Good. Yeah, yeah, you did all right.

00:42:33:23 - 00:42:54:10
Unknown
I mean, it's okay. The pickle needs a few dots on it just to be like pickle. Like, you know, pickles have kind of pickles. Well, I have, yeah, I do have. Okay. Never mind. Yeah. Green dots. There we go. Okay. And submit. So now I have answered in the way that a chat bot might answer someone else's query.

00:42:54:17 - 00:43:23:29
Unknown
And now I can go over to the human side and I can ask a question, like, why is Allbirds and, going to build data centers to build data centers? Okay, we'll go ahead and send that off. And now it puts this into a queue after it verifies that I'm human and someone has someone can pick it up somewhere out in the world, can, pick it up if it can ever verify me.

00:43:24:01 - 00:43:52:00
Unknown
And once they accept it, they have, you know, a short amount of time to turn round and answer. Because when you interact with LMS, there's a little bit of a turnaround time. And, yeah, it's silly, it's ridiculous, but it's it's kind of like, if ChatGPT met Chatroulette, it's but without the, the weird stuff, I think so far until you get until it gets overwhelmed.

00:43:52:02 - 00:44:19:20
Unknown
When I was playing around with it this morning, it did not take this long for someone to pick as my stupid question. Maybe people scary. They're like, I don't know, I don't know about Allbirds, but anyways, it's called your eye slot bores me. And it was, created by a 17 year old in India. Me here, Maruja, probably, pronouncing his name wrong and, basically, it's doing really well.

00:44:19:20 - 00:44:39:04
Unknown
It has to more than 25 million unique visitors, 280 million hits in the past month. I think it launched like a month ago. I don't know if it's true, but, I mean, it kind of looks like it could have been viewed coded pretty easily. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And apparently. Oh, hey, there you go. To capitalize on I demand like, the chats they are.

00:44:39:07 - 00:45:01:00
Unknown
Okay. Okay, good. Good work. So I had to give you a thumbs up. So anyways, it's silly, but, you know, it's it's all hand-drawn. I know you can hear the sounds, but there's, like, clunky, clunky music that plays every once in a while and different sounds and everything. And this is a good opportunity to not take all this stuff.

00:45:01:00 - 00:45:20:15
Unknown
So places where we need to give them more to do. Yeah, I don't know. We talk about heavy stuff all the time. Why not talk about something that's that's light. And you know, I feel like I feel like stories like this happened a lot more often. Yes. I usually days. Oh, yeah. Well, the early, you know, I remember cool side of the day.

00:45:20:18 - 00:45:36:13
Unknown
Yeah. Cool side of the day. I had a couple of them. I started a couple of them. What were your sites? Well, one was, if you remember Rain or Shine, which was a, we just give you the five day forecast. That's all you want you to not have to listen to the weatherman go on and on and on to just give me the damn five day forecast.

00:45:36:16 - 00:45:55:15
Unknown
Okay. And then another one was called the luckiest site on the internet, which was quite hot for a while. We did it. It was a kids site. We just had to learn how to build websites. So we went to the Liberty Science Center and we learned about, boogers and things like that and put them online. Oh that's cool, I love that.

00:45:55:17 - 00:46:12:19
Unknown
That's so cool. I mean, at first I was like, oh boy, what's what's on this site? But, you know, it's different. Kind of yucky. So that's good, I like it. It got bought by Discover. Oh no kidding. Wait a minute. So you created or you discovered the we created it. You created it and it got bought by discover.

00:46:12:27 - 00:46:42:06
Unknown
That's that's cool because of its exposure there. Yeah. Are you finding it? I'm seeing if it's still up. That website expired. Luckiest site on the internet. Site on the internet. Kind of afraid of what I'll get if I know. Would it be attached to Jeff Jarvis now? Would it have your name on it? No, it was Advanced Publications.

00:46:42:09 - 00:47:07:15
Unknown
Yeah. Discovery. Yeah. This site on the internet was an early youth oriented science website created by Jeff Jarvis and Susan Oh in it. Oh, that was later acquired by Discovery Communications. Jarvis, proponent of the project, later cited its history to argue that regulations like Coppa created a chill on the creation of engaging online content for children. Read more about the arguments surrounding the site from this article on time.

00:47:07:17 - 00:47:29:24
Unknown
By you October 18, 2011. Do we really need to check? Potentially? Remember that? Hey, I was not, And, there we go. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Okay. A site, the the Webby Award, there was an entry to there would be award. There you go the most. Okay. You wrote all about it in the early days of the web.

00:47:29:24 - 00:47:52:28
Unknown
I started the site on the internet about goo bugs and science. Yeah. To serve young readers at the. There you go. This is a whole aspect of your history that I had no idea until just wouldn't have known. I wouldn't have known unless I showed you your eye slot boards dot me. See, sometimes it's a good idea to talk about the things that aren't at all just kind of fun.

00:47:53:01 - 00:48:11:21
Unknown
There we go. Hope you all enjoying this. We do have a YouTube channel where we show off things like the sites that we were just talking about. So if you head over to YouTube, do a search for AI inside, or AI inside show, which is the username or that the channel name, let's say. Then you can find it, subscribe and get it all in video or just go to our website.

00:48:11:21 - 00:48:30:15
Unknown
AI insights show all of our episodes also include the video component. We're going to take a break, come back, and we have a whole bunch of Google stuff in the speed round and a few others. See my blood pressure go up. Yes, when we come back, Jeff's face is going to be all red. It's coming up here in a second.

00:48:30:18 - 00:48:52:18
Unknown
All right, here we are. Jeff's face properly red. Like I said, you could see that on the video version. I'm just saying there's there's perks to watching the video version of this podcast. Okay, Jeff, Google made a bunch of announcements and they're all sort of related, so I just kind of group them all together. Maybe they're not entirely related.

00:48:52:18 - 00:49:17:23
Unknown
Some of them feel very related, though. For example, Claude app for desktop or sorry, not Claude Google app for desktop. Got Claude on the mind right now. Launching for windows. But this is like a Google search standalone app, though you can do things like share your screen to a prompt and trigger AI mode. So it kind of has like a Gemini desktop feel for windows.

00:49:17:23 - 00:49:46:09
Unknown
But it's not that. It's it's like a Google search with AI mode integrated into it. Okay, fine. And then today they also announced a Gemini app, but for Mac, not for windows. And this is like the full on like every feature of Gemini integrated into your Mac desktop experience. I tried to install it on my Mac, but I'm running macOS 14 and it requires 15, so apparently I got to upgrade, so I can't use it yet.

00:49:46:09 - 00:50:11:15
Unknown
But it does. You know, on screen context assistance, it direct access to all of Gemini's tools, including media creation. You can do option space to summon Gemini from the desktop. Also on the windows app, you can do. I think it's like alt space to summon the search box. So there's they're clearly walking in similar territory, but they're not they're not both Gemini apps, even though they kind of are.

00:50:11:15 - 00:50:29:11
Unknown
They kind of aren't are it's super confusing to me. It's one of those it's one of those Google, you know, doesn't know what the left and right hand are doing because they're doing similar but different things. My, my my Mac here, my my Mac mini, which, which I was given to me by Twitch. Twitter. Yeah. You've had that for a while.

00:50:29:12 - 00:50:53:13
Unknown
Long time. Late 2014. That's what you're doing. The show that's out of the show. That's what you're streaming on? It's at version 12. Of macOS Monterey. I am amazed that your video quality and everything is, is as low as it is up to Apple credit. Yeah. I mean that that's a 12 year old device. Yeah. That's impressive.

00:50:53:15 - 00:51:15:06
Unknown
Yeah it is. But obviously I can't run anything on it. Yeah. But I mean you only you only really use it for podcasting right. It's your podcast machine. Yeah. So hey if it ain't broke AD would I have to proofread my books? The very last stage I have to use, Microsoft Word, and it doesn't work well on the online version on Chrome, so I have to use the app here.

00:51:15:08 - 00:51:41:18
Unknown
Oh, okay. That's it. All right. That's it. So you got two uses for that machine. That's impressive. That's that old and still running. And it's a mac mini. It's not like it's about old and like a Big Mac. Mac Pro tower or something, you know. Interesting. So then you're not installing this? I'm not installing this. And I've got a mac studio in here, which is you know, I need to upgrade the OS, which I can do, and I'll be able to use this.

00:51:41:20 - 00:52:03:00
Unknown
And then Google also introduced skills coming to Chrome. I actually think this is kind of interesting. Or nice because sometimes, you know, I've thought about this when it comes to show prep and stuff. I have a certain set of prompts that I use to help me better contextualize stories that I'm trying to synthesize and right into the script and everything.

00:52:03:03 - 00:52:30:13
Unknown
And I always have to open up my notes app, copy the prompt, paste it into the field, and I have to do that repeatedly. And what this would allow for is you reusable prompt macros. So I could assign a prompt to a key command or something inside of, the Gemini sidebar. You can set that up. And then it also ships with some pre-made skills for, you know, like summarizing a YouTube video or that sort of thing to kind of show you like what you could do.

00:52:30:15 - 00:52:56:03
Unknown
So, Jason, when you're in Chrome, how do you get that Gemini sidebar? What do you click on? I click on the Ask Gemini button that's up in the corner. Oh, you have the Ask Gemini button. Do. Yeah, yeah, I do, I don't I mean it's not I know this is funny, but it's not. At some point I really don't have anybody remotely associated with Google to get to anybody in the workplace.

00:52:56:06 - 00:53:18:01
Unknown
Department. Why don't I have that on my Google Chromebook? So I can't use this? I can't do this. That's what has me so upset. I have asked Gemini here on the Mac. I'm pointing to what I'm using. My my 14 year old Mac. It's there, but it's not on my Google Chromebook, so I don't get it. I just don't get it.

00:53:18:01 - 00:53:37:16
Unknown
I know, yes, I've given every possible approval to myself and workspace, workplace, whatever the hell it is. And I can't use this. I can't try it out. It's I mean, this is this is a complaint that you've had for long. For a long time. I have to imagine at some point. Have you ever been in communication with someone?

00:53:37:16 - 00:53:56:24
Unknown
I talked to somebody who would give you a workspace or Chrome at one point, I think it was Chromebook I talked to, and they got to somebody at work. Workspace. Workspace. Now place to place. Workplace. I think and so basically, yeah, you're you're out of luck. But yeah, we're working on it. Well, no, it hasn't happened.

00:53:56:26 - 00:54:21:16
Unknown
Am I the only workspace customer? Workspace customer who has a Chromebook? Can't be. So that's so bad. So corporations are working on it. Yeah. It's super bizarre. It doesn't make any sense. And how how, how why does that not align with their current. Yeah. Priority. And it's not that it's real. It's maddening opportunity there I'm a paying customer.

00:54:21:16 - 00:54:45:00
Unknown
I pay every month for workspace. I mean it's must be architectural. I doubt it's strategy. No, I don't get it. I really don't get it. So I can't use that feature. I would love to play with it. I would love to. I've been dying to. So anybody who has a cousin at Google, anywhere near workspace or Chromebook have come see me, please let us know, please.

00:54:45:00 - 00:55:02:23
Unknown
Yeah, we'll do we'll do a we'll do a 15 minute interview. I won't be too long. I'll bet I'll plead. That's all. I'll be pathetic. I just want to know why can't I push the button? So when I push the envelope. Yeah. Okay. All right. Well, onward. This is what it's like when you have the button, Jeff. You just push it.

00:55:02:24 - 00:55:37:11
Unknown
Thanks. It's open a sidebar pops out, and it's a really great, like Google sorry, ad skills and then notebooks in Gemini for keeping track of projects. All of this together just feels similar in ways to what I've been using with Claude. Co-work. And the project kind of, I don't know, organizational approach. And then the desktop context and the ease of use of tying into the browser to do things like I've been going real deep on it the last couple of weeks.

00:55:37:13 - 00:55:56:09
Unknown
And, so it seems like Google is kind of getting there, but it a lot of different, like disconnected ways and the way that Google is really good at doing. And by good I mean like, why do you do that? Like why not do it in a united kind of combined way? That makes a really great single tool like the cloud app, you know?

00:55:56:11 - 00:56:14:19
Unknown
Right. Google should be doing that. And I wouldn't be surprised if they get there. But in order to know that there they get I'd rather do Google erode it with Google than claw to that sense if it's going to. Because Google already has my data, it already has my email. It already has my, drive. It already has my browser, so it already knows this stuff.

00:56:14:19 - 00:56:42:06
Unknown
Anyway, there's no added harm, really, to be able to integrate that with, with the Gemini. Yeah, if only I could someday. And the notebook integration, too. Makes perfect sense because they've had this grammar in notebook lab. Yeah. Makes perfect sense to bring it over else and other, products. At Google, while a notebook LMS seems to be integrated, you know, into their other products along with Gemini together.

00:56:42:06 - 00:57:06:13
Unknown
So they're kind of, you know, those are kind of converging. Yeah. Notebook LMS. Great. It's definitely a tool that I use pretty regularly. So I'm happy to see that. But we'll see what this is all leading to. Maybe it all makes sense together soon. Anthropic is officially taking cloud co-work out of research preview, making it generally available for all paid macOS and windows users.

00:57:06:15 - 00:57:44:24
Unknown
And they're including a bunch of enterprise controls. So you know, enterprise teams can get in on the action together in a more combined sense. So, you know, you get roles based access controls. Group tied to the group, spending limits and analytics, of course. Bunch of stuff. So that's good. Let's see here. What else? Let's see here anthropic redesigning its cloud code desktop app, apparently to let developers run and manage many simultaneous parallel agents at the same time.

00:57:44:26 - 00:58:05:29
Unknown
Got a pretty significant facelift in the process, actually. So new sidebar, drag and drop panes, integrated terminal file editor. I have not used cloud code. I continue to tell myself no, but I'm not a coder. Why would I use cloud code? But then I continue reading online that no, you're thinking about it wrong. It's not. You don't have to be a coder to use it makes code it.

00:58:06:02 - 00:58:22:10
Unknown
It makes code. It makes things, you know, that that run on code. And so that could be useful even to non coders. I just haven't quite evolved to that point yet. I'm still kind of getting used to the co-work side of things, so I'm sure eventually I'll start playing with it and I'll be like, why did I wait so long?

00:58:22:10 - 00:58:24:19
Unknown
But.

00:58:24:22 - 00:58:44:16
Unknown
Nonetheless, still, still very interesting. And then finally open. I bought a personal finance startup. I feel like they bought a number of these and health and finance and everything called hero. Totally an actual hire situation. Hero itself is going to be shut down on April 20th, and all that user data that's there is going to be deleted May 13th.

00:58:44:16 - 00:59:08:19
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So the whole team, the technology stack, all expected to be integrated into ChatGPT. So better financial tools. Yeah. But I oddly for a company that has to raise a bunch of money is buying stuff. I that's not to OD that that's all companies do that. Yeah. They bought the podcast for a reported $300 million, which I just do not understand the strategy there.

00:59:08:25 - 00:59:28:02
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Dylan Byers, did a podcast with both the both sides of the transaction, and I don't I don't understand it. Yeah. The podcast is not going to have no ads because they don't need them. It's going to be free. But it's a mouthpiece for open AI. It doesn't really dependents? No. You're owned by OpenAI.

00:59:28:02 - 00:59:52:12
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You're, reporting to the PR person, but I don't, and the TPP, says, well, we're not really journalistic. We don't ask tough questions. Right. Entertainment. So. But I was buying things that I. If you want to buy us, for sure. Yep. They're buying the podcast network. Yeah, yeah. I mean, you know, we'll be your headline service.

00:59:52:14 - 01:00:18:03
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All of this could be yours of any. I all of this StreamYard delivered content. Jeff, thank you so much for, for joining me each and every week on this show. I learned a lot, talking through the AI concepts with you. Hot tape is your book that that people can preorder right now. So you can go to the the page Jeff jarvis.com and preorder that Gutenberg parenthesis magazine.

01:00:18:10 - 01:00:52:26
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The web. We we've also intelligence AI and Humanity on Medium which is another book series that you have coming from Bloomsbury. Yep. So lots to look forward to. Thank you. Yeah. And you Jason, what else do you do? There you go. Well, I do help, I help, help. And am helping companies with their podcast strategy. So, you know, I've been doing podcasting for a long time, and, I can help you think through how you're approaching your podcast, strategy or get it started or all of the above.

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Pod tune up.com is where you go. If you're interested in that, just reach out and, let's talk. Let's, get some virtual coffee and talk talk about it. I inside that show is where you can go to find all of the episodes that we do in audio and video form. It's all there. Pretty easy to find Patreon.com slash AI inside show if you want to support us on a deeper level.

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So, thank you so much for supporting us and, enabling us to continue to do this show. And finally, thank you to Victor Bug, not for editing and Daniel Croft for the social video support behind the scenes, and also always being the the person who's in our live stream. Guaranteed. Good to see you. You're always there. So thank you Daniel.

01:02:01:21 - 01:02:17:25
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But that's it. Any any last thoughts before I hit end on this episode? Oh, no. You put me on the spot. Do I have another thought? No. I've used up all my thoughts for the for the show. All right. Cool. Well, hold on to them because Jeff's going to share more thoughts on intelligent machines later at Twitch.tv.

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As for us, you're going to have to wait another week. So thank you for watching and listening. We'll see you next time on Android. Sorry, not on Android faithful. My goodness. Ha ha. I can't even stick the landing. It's AI inside folks. And if you want Android, you're going to have to go elsewhere. We'll see you later. Bye.