The Kleenex of AI

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Coming up next, Jeff Jarvis, an AI demo, Google's new Gemini powered Chrome agent called Auto Browse. We talk about Yahoo's big scout comeback, Apple's Gemini fueled Siri overhaul, and their rumored AI pen. Plus, Mozilla's Rebel Alliance bet on open source AI and DeepMind's alpha genome breakthrough. All of that on this episode of the AI Inside podcast.

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What's going on everybody? Welcome to another episode of the AI Inside Podcast, the show where we take a look at the AI that is layered throughout the world of technology. I am one of your host, Jason Howell, joined once again by Jeff Jarvis, who was out last week, but here this week. And I'm so happy to see you, Jeff, how are you?

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So glad to see you too. It's been it's been lonely without you. Yeah. Well and you've been you've been on the road to recovery. I don't know how much you want to share on. My life is an open book. You can. I'm my. My wife said he didn't get enough sympathy here, so he had to tell the whole world of the social medias.

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So, week before last, I, fell, taking the bedding off to do the laundry on a Sunday morning. Oh, and, the the bedspread turned out to be stronger than me. My feet slipped out from underneath me. I went up, I went down hard on my back. Bad. I didn't know good I was, I was functioning, I did okay, I was doing stuff.

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And then I went to, urgent care and got a CT scan and found out that I have a, compression fracture of my L3 vertebra. Oh, geez. Okay, so that was enough. But then the next day, I started feeling yucky, and finally a fever came on. The pain got just unbearable. I couldn't get out of bed, and in fact, I fell out of bed, so I was carried by ambulance to Morristown Hospital, where they found the long and short of it is that I also had a, strep blood infection.

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Oh, my gosh. So, so I was on Mondo antibiotics. I'm on antibiotics at home for five weeks. So I'm not down in my office right now. I'm up in my boudoir, so I can go, escape to the pillow, to the mountain of pillows if I need to. Yeah, yeah, it's going to say it looks like a cozier, maybe, maybe a cozier room.

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But when when you're talking about back issues like that, there is no such thing as cozy. Oh, no. I'm so sorry that all happened to you. That's, like one thing after another. I'm really happy that you're both here. Imminently preventable. If I had just not been so macho about taking bed off and just gone around, I would, got that.

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And the, the infection probably came from, A23. Oh, interesting. I've heard about that. That teeth are really. You get an infection, a tooth it could take. Yeah, it can be incredibly serious. Used to be I was required to get a box before a dentist visit because of a heartfelt thing. And they said not only change that procedure.

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If I had taken that, I probably thought, oh, my goodness. Wow. So let me, well, I did not. I was tempted to at times cause I had tons of labs. I was almost going to put them all into, the various A's, but I thought, no, I didn't have what can you tell me that that's maybe the sort of thing.

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You don't want to open the Pandora's box, because then it's, you know, it's kind of like, don't self-diagnose. Like when people are sick and they're like, oh, well, these are my symptoms. Go online. What do I have? And then, you know, yes, those symptoms point to this like deadly disease or whatever that freaks them out. But it also points to all these other things that could not be that.

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But yet people lock into the thing that's the most dire. You know, probably a good idea. Didn't do that. Well, I'm really happy you're here. I'm happy you're okay. If at any point this becomes unbearable, let me know. It's all good. I can. I can finish the show in monologue form. It's totally fine. But I am very happy to see you.

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See you healthy and happy. And at least recovering. Anyways, big news, big news. Talk about right off the top of the show. Sometimes news breaks right as we're going to air. And such is the case for now. Hot off the presses if you want to say that Google has, just announced the arrival of Gemini integration into Chrome on a much deeper level.

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Now, we've seen when we've talked about it plenty of times on the show, that Gemini is a part of the Chrome browser. There's a little button up at the top corner, which there is for most of you, but not for and, and because your workspace, that button doesn't exist or does it exist and it doesn't tap into the right account, or it's just not there at all exists out there.

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Unknown
That's so lame. Yeah, there it is. It's there in Gmail and stare in and drive. It's there are other, other places not in Chrome appearing on my Chromebook. Yeah. Okay. Anyway, well, I'm sorry that that that appears to be, you know, continue to be the case. Many people have seen, let's just say that, that Gemini is in the Chrome browser.

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But what you got before was this, like, pop out experience, this little kind of like, sidecar pop out window or whatever. It wasn't like it's there, but it was didn't feel fully integrated in the same way that the, the AI is truly integrated into solutions like, ChatGPT, or, sorry, OpenAI's Atlas, perplexity comet. They all come out into a sidebar kind of integration, and it feels like it's a part of the browser, and not just like an extension over the top sort of thing.

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Well, Google has announced a couple of big additions to Chrome. First of all, as you can see if you're watching the video version. So I've got just the story from TechCrunch here that's talking about the news. If I tap the Gemini button, I now get the sidecar. This the little sidebar, what do they call it? I guess it's just a side panel integration.

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Maybe it doesn't even have a name for it yet, but, so you can see I have access to all this right now. I know that it's rolling out to people. I've had access to it for a couple of days. I've been playing around with it, but, so it pops out. And now instead of this, like, floating window, I have this fully integrated kind of sidebar, panel that I can jump into and ask about this tab.

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If I have multiple tabs open, I could ask about all the tabs that are open, have it, you know, like I played around with it to, like, open up a bunch of different phones and different browsers and be like, all right, compare, compare the tabs that are open, you know, and then create a spreadsheet that, you know, puts all of the information into a single place for me to, to refer to.

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And it did that with varied success, which we can talk about. Also has the personal intelligence feature from a couple of weeks ago. So if you feel comfortable sharing all of your Google data into Gemini and now into the browser experience, then it all kind of plays together. In one little happy area on the side, slide out bar.

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Yeah. So clearly a lot of this is, to use Gemini to ask questions to organize and so on and so forth. What about Jason? The functionality within all the Google apps, the one thing that I am impressed with, and I have been obsessed with for weeks now, is in Gmail, where I do have a little button, in, and in exchange I can say, put this in my calendar, right?

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So it goes from one after the other. Does this integration involve the applications as much as it involves the content of the tabs? That's a good question. Like, I don't want to show my inbox just yet because I don't want to show everybody my personal inbox, but I'm just kind of looking through it to see if there's any Gemini kind of iconography appearing within Gemini.

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Normally it is right now. Do you see the Gemini button inside? Let me switch to my inbox. I do enterprise water with your browser. Let's say I put this hypothetical for you. You're in a browser, you see a concert you want to go to. Yeah. I wonder whether you can say, add this to my calendar. Oh, well, why don't why don't we try, try that.

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That's why don't we try? Because. Dang it, I have access to this. So let's see here. So let's go to Ticketmaster.

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Why? Because I don't know. Because they own everything. Because they own everything, unfortunately. Well, Lionel Richie, Earth, Wind and fire. I'm thinking that to you. That has you written all over it.

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Ever concert? Ever. Like actual concert was Lionel Richie. Wow. No kidding, no kidding. My mom took me to Lionel Richie when I was little. Jason dancing on the ceiling world tour. There were break dancers on top of grand pianos, white grand pianos on flanking the stage, break dancers on top of them. While he was doing The Showman. He is.

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Okay, so we've got Ticketmaster open. Let's see here, I will. Oh dang it. Okay, I will be in Grand Rapids, Michigan, on May 15th for this show. Add it to my calendar. Let's see if this works. Boom. We'll go ahead and hit go. It says taking a look. One of my complaints about this bar is that the text is really small and like, I'm not I'm not getting any younger.

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There's no so so some of it is like comfortable size and and there's no way to increase the size. Like if I try it, it only increases the actual browser content and not this area. Okay. So it says events are saved in the Google Calendar app. To get an event reminder, you need to open or install the app and add a notification to this event.

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So it says that it added the event. So I'm going to open up the calendar and see. So what date was that that was due to do. That was May 15th. So let's go to May 15th. Dude to do did I know on the old on top. No. There is no. Yeah. There is no there's nothing here for for that.

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So it says okay, so it says here events are saved in the Google Calendar app. That is wrong. Then it says down here you want to create this event. Do you want to go ahead and create it right now. So that's a little confusing. It's like okay well maybe maybe you want to say yes. Now. Maybe that was a yes.

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Yeah. It gives me the little button to add the event. So we'll go ahead and add the event. Taking a look at lot of rich tickets adding the event. Event created. There it goes. There it goes. Okay. So it didn't do it automatically. And that is one thing. And I haven't even mentioned this as as one of the other key features here is that they have now integrated like the sidebar isn't even the big news.

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The big news here is that there's now a feature called auto browse, which is essentially a gigantic actions inside of the Chrome browser. That was my next question. Yeah. Can we have it, recommend an itinerary for 24 hours in Grand Rapids? Okay, sure. Show me, show me hotels and restaurants, show me hotels and other things to do in Grand Rapids and other things to do in Grand Rapids.

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While I'm there. And make a reservation. We're getting deep now. Make a reservation for some delicious food on the evening of the concert near the event. Oh, geez. I'm giving it a lot to go off of. That's a lot. It's a lot. That is a lot. So hopefully this kicks the agent into gear. Now, the the button that we got earlier that said add event.

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Unknown
I guess that could make sense in the context of the fact that what I know about the agent is there are certain actions that it won't do without your explicit thoughts like that. Yeah, I kind of. Yeah. So like for example, I oh, in fact, here's another test that we can do. I actually tried this earlier and it mostly worked.

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Let's go to a new tab. While that's working, you can run multiple agents at the same time. I'm going to go down here. I'm going to say go to Amazon find and reorder the vanilla protein I bought last year in the same size container. And so it's going to kind of churn on this for a second. I have noticed the agent kind of actions are pretty slow.

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Yeah. This was what I was worried about. Going back to the concert thing is that it's just giving us like a standard kind of right response. Yeah. Okay. So book one of those restaurants for me now. I was totally jostling back and forth. Apologies to audio listeners because they're like, I'm not seeing any of this. So we're trying.

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So this is this is a view of what happens when the agent kicks in a gear. I on the Amazon example, it says task started. You see the browser area now just the agent is has taken over the task. There's a little button up at the top that says, you know, if I wanted to pause this, I could I'd hit that pause button and it would pause it.

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If my cursor goes over in that area, it kind of highlights blue. I can do nothing. You can see my cursor has a little cross out symbol, so I can't do anything because the agent has taken over the window right now. If I want to get it back, though, I can hit this pause button and it gives me back my access to it.

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Or I could hit resume and it picks up where it left off. And so right now it's going through the steps it navigated to Amazon.com, navigated to order history, changed order, history, time filter to look at all of last year. And now it's searching for vanilla protein. You saw it type it out in the search box. It goes, you know, it's going to hit that.

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And I guarantee you it's probably going to come back with a whole host of vanilla protein orders from our history. And then it's going to add that to the cart. But it what it will not do is it will not click buy. So you can get as far as adding it to the cart, which it's about to do.

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But it's up to me to go in and click buy and again for now, probably fine. Absolutely. Yes. Google Google site. You know, this is obviously this is supposed to be clear. You didn't have Amazon open it. You told it to know that it opened to Amazon. It found the right way to go. It got that. That's pretty impressive.

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Yeah it did this whole series of steps. It added it to the cart and now I'm good. So let's see here. Now it's just giving me. Yeah. So it says task done. And so now I have it as part of my cart. Then when I go in there later. So when I think about the agent here because it does operate pretty slowly.

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Yeah. And the, and the concert thing just isn't working. It's not picking up the fact that I want this done. That's my form. But that's all right. No, but I mean, I think that's that's important to know because there are obviously clearly kinks to work out. Right. Like if I wanted the agent to do these things and now I'm spending all the time like manicuring it, trying to, like, coax it into doing the thing.

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Unknown
I could have just done the thing instead and save the time. All right. How about how about a whole different, how about, find me the best? Chicken burrito near me? Chicken burrito? I wonder why. I'm curious why I'm asking this. I want to see what the process it goes through is. Yeah. And does it? You know, this would be probably less a genetic more or search.

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Yeah, more search list because it's not doing an action. It's not doing it. Yeah. It's not doing it. Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah. What what an action. Yeah. But I mean I think that is some somewhat unclear. Right. Like I might when is an agent necessary for something like if I'm researching phones like say that example and I went into a blank Google page and pulled out the sidebar and said, I want you to research the top Android smartphones of 2025.

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And, add the best one to my cart. Maybe they add the best one to my cart. Might be the prompt to say, oh, this is an energetic task, but if I still wanted to watch it go through the process, like I don't know that without that, it would do that in front of me. It might just rely on the loom to be like, here's your list of blah blah blah the way you're used to seeing.

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So I don't know where, I guess. I guess what I'm saying is, I don't know how to get a foolproof agent do this for me sort of outcome, you know what I mean? Yeah. Right now it's it's tapping into maps so you can see personal intelligence is integrated here. It's saying, oh, based on your location in Petaluma, it's using maps to know where I am.

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Unknown
It's also my, my account, information to know where I am. Chunk is is an excellent talk. Maria. By the way, Jeff, if you're ever in town, we can go to junkies. Me Pueblo is also well known around here. So anyways, it didn't do anything here, genetically speaking here, but it does integrate it into the sidebar. It does integrate with personal intelligence features from a couple of weeks ago.

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Unknown
So there's, you know, it fit here it what to do. And so I'll stop now. But if it, if it's chunky orders offers delivery. And you asked it to order a chicken burrito.

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Unknown
Yes. Guacamole. Get it delivered to my home. How far along would it go before we start? I'm wondering, do the rest. You know, order a chicken burrito with walk from monkeys and have it delivered to my home. Let's see. So, you know, maybe the order blank is enough for you to go. Oh, this is an a genetic action, not something that I might do through the LM.

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Unknown
It'll be fun to play with this refining agent instruction. So it seems to be, you know, I'm now refining the instructions for the browser agent, and at some point, we're like, started, tasks started. So now it has started the task. Sometimes it will open up a new window to do it. Sometimes it will use the window that's currently open.

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This is the chunky site. That that's it. I know that place. Well, I don't think they have delivery, though. Yeah. Well, it's you can see right now it's it's like thumbing through the galleries, trying to see if I can find these things. And now let's go into the menu page. Yeah. Navigating to the menu page for ordering options.

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Unknown
Yeah. So it's kind of gone gone through as well as far as it can a browser, you know. And then of course if I go to a different story or different tab, you can see this little icon here is a little, mouse pointer with like a magic symbol next to it or whatever. And it's kind of swirling that's just set.

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Unknown
Basically saying in this, your agent is working on something, oh, DoorDash. So we got to DoorDash, okay. Looking for the address search bar on DoorDash entering Petaluma, California as the delivery. Yes. Okay. All right. So now right now, let's get creative. It's like, well, maybe we just got DoorDash, this this S.O.B., you know, so anyways, that's auto browse inside of Google Chrome.

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Unknown
I like I said, I have been playing around with it for a few days. Anyways, and the things that have stood out for me is that the agent does move slowly, which isn't a horrible thing right off the top. Like it's easy to look at and be like, why is it so slow? I don't think that you use an agent when you want to sit there and watch it do its thing.

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Unknown
You use an agent so that you it goes in the background while you do other things, and so the speed of it might not matter as much. This is like, you know what, I need to make that reservation, but I don't want to spend my time. Just you work on that and I'm going to belt out this article or whatever the case.

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Unknown
You know what I mean? Right? Right. So it's a little less and at this very early stage, this stuff, you want the confidence to be able to know that it's kind of you can you can track it. Yeah. And then I could go back and I could see the actions in order. You know they find yourself with 100 burritos delivered to your door.

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Well thankfully at least as far as I know a part of me is kind of, scared to switch over to this to see where it's at. Searching, DoorDash with junkies. Yeah. I don't know if it's actually able. It's not. Oh, probably not a DoorDash. Yeah. Must not be a which is weird. I'd be really surprised if Chucky's wasn't a DoorDash, but maybe it's not.

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Maybe it's not. Yeah, because I don't see an order online button up there. So yeah, yeah. So anyways, so there's the speed. Like I said, the text that's shown here is really small, and so I hope that there's a way to kind of increase that. It says, query unsuccessful is the thing that it gave me there for a second.

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Unknown
So but it doesn't tell you how it was unsuccessful, does it? Well, it says I was unable to place the delivery order for you. It appears it's located over here. Blah, blah, blah does not offer online ordering for delivery, through their website or major apps like DoorDash or Uber Eats. It's both interesting. You can try placing an order by calling them directly.

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Unknown
Here's the thing. You know, here's the number. Yeah. So okay. You know, then I go back and be like, okay, well, I guess I got a call then. And hey, doesn't Google have a system to like, make calls and, and exactly stuff for you? That would be interesting. Okay. Make that call for me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What else have I noticed when I was taking him from having it take information and put it into a spreadsheet, and I was like, put this information into a spreadsheet, make it look pretty.

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Unknown
And I was kind of watching the agent and wow, it moved really slow. But it, it got confused on like, what went where inside of the spreadsheet. And so sometimes it was like overwriting information that it put in there. So that was a little imperfect. And I think the other, the only other thing that I've noticed that gets me every time is I'm used to in perplexity on comment when I've got an article up and I want to like, okay, I want to get, you know, some sort of summary on this article.

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Unknown
I open the side tab and I just start typing. But when you do that here, it doesn't automatically go down here. I then have to remember to kind of move my cursor down, click into it and start typing. And every time it happens for me, I'm Oh, why don't you just appeared out there. Yeah. So you know that.

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Unknown
So, they could correct features and capabilities. What does, perplexity do that this doesn't and vice versa. That's good. That's a that's a good question. I don't know if I have a firm grasp on that yet because I don't really use just like sitting. How do you feel they're usable. Oh, they're are they, are they designed differently?

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Unknown
No. I feel like the approaches are very similar. I mean, it feels very familiar to me after having used, comment, you know, for as many months as I have, this feels very familiar to me. I'm very used to the ways in which perplexity phrases certain things and it's output like, I like I like the kind of text based output that perplexity gives me more than Gemini.

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Unknown
Gemini sometimes has a very kind of, I don't know, I don't know if it feels a little bit more clinical or I can't, I can't put my finger on it. But there's something about how Gemini offers up Lambda text to me that feels like not not me. If I if I want to, like, copy those words and work with them, I'd be doing a ton of editing to it.

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Unknown
Versus perplexity. And maybe perplexity is just learned what I like and what I don't. And it's and it's offering more of that to me. And so I find I have to do less editing on it. But that's one thing I've also noticed. But I mean, as far as how it works and kind of the a genetic, connection between them both.

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Unknown
I mean, granted, I don't really use Comit for agent stuff that much, but, but it seems to me on the surface that they work pretty closely together, and it really shows me that that Google as a whole is a real force to be reckoned with when it comes to. Oh, yeah, I you know, I happened upon CNBC today is I'm so bored going around the dial, trapped in my, in my home hospital room.

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Unknown
Yeah. And they did a new index of kind of AI capabilities of the top companies. They ranked alphabet way at the top. Yeah. In terms of its capabilities, in terms of, revenue opportunities. People who wrote off Alphabet or run. Another burrito place in Petaluma. Now I want it to order me a burrito.

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Unknown
For lunch, you asked for one house. I. Yeah, right. That would be great if at the end of the podcast, the doorbell rings like ate. Here's my burrito. That would be the perfect, like, ending of all of this. We're going to let the agent work on my burrito problem, in the background while we do the rest of the show.

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Unknown
But there you go. I hope, Jeff, I hope you get a chance to play around with it in some way. Okay, so I hope they don't screw us workspace people again. Yeah, yeah. Me too. But it it just keeps seeming like they just. I don't know that they don't care. Not really. Quite sure. I don't get it. Yeah.

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Unknown
Yeah. It's it's it's not taking my order. Okay. I'm going to bail on the burrito. I'm going to that's going to be an aftershow problem. And we can kind of move on. Did you ever have it in your in your thought that we might be talking about Yahoo in today's show? But I was I was laughing my head off when I saw that pop up on the, on the agenda.

00:26:54:10 - 00:27:15:21
Unknown
Yes, we've got Yahoo Scout, which I don't know. I'm kind of torn on this. So what is Yahoo Scout? It is a new chat based answer engine. I think that's what they call it. You know, kind of aiming to bring a little bit of the Yahoo magic back into the fold. It's new in beta right now across most of Yahoo's properties.

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Unknown
So my understanding is that this is embedded into Yahoo's site. Although you can go to I think scout dot yahoo.com scout yahoo.com to see it immediately. And yeah. Try now. There it is. Okay. So we've got, you know, your basic kind of text input. It's a little bit more visual, a little bit more clip arty like that looks like an old school clip art.

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Unknown
Cowboy hat. But I think the idea here is that it ties into all of Yahoo's kind of properties. So Yahoo Finance, Yahoo News, Yahoo mail, blah, blah, blah all across the board. And it is a conversational assistant. It's also kind of an I like translate button, not necessarily translate to other languages, but synthesizing all of the Yahoo content into more simplified content.

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Unknown
Let's say summarizing also has the ability to summarize, like comment comment content, which you probably don't want to read anyways. Fast Company says that when they've been working with this, it's a little bit more driven around imagery, more relying on thumbnails, product images, tables, that sort of stuff, less text heavy. And I, everybody flipped out about this.

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Unknown
We talked about it yesterday on the Daily Tech news show, me and Tom Merritt. And as I thought about it more, I've been like, okay, but what's the big deal? Like, they all have this now, right? Like, is is the big deal. Just that Yahoo is the up and is the company that no one considers to be a major player anymore.

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Unknown
Yet they have this massive knowledge graph. There's no denying they do. They've got a ton of of of users that still use this 250 million monthly users in the US, 700 million globally. You know, using this on a monthly basis. So they're all older than I am. But, you know, they're I mean, they've been around forever. They're not you know, you don't think of innovation when you think of Yahoo anymore.

00:29:16:06 - 00:29:36:25
Unknown
But so there's there's obviously there's value here. But is that the primary reason that people were freaking out about this is like, oh, well, you know what I mean. Like it just kind of I think it was like everybody has is it struck me as a punch line. Yeah. You know, it'd be like saying, AltaVista is back with AI, right?

00:29:36:28 - 00:30:02:23
Unknown
Right. Okay. Yeah. What is the story there? Is it that, like they're doing something different with AI, or is it just, hey, we're talking about AltaVista again. Yay, yay for us. I mean, well, let's try it out for a second. I'm going to give it up. I'm gonna give it a vague question. Given today's Nvidia news, what are some stocks I should be looking at to buy?

00:30:02:25 - 00:30:28:15
Unknown
I'm not telling what the news is. Yeah, and I'll leave the spelling errors in there, because that never seems to matter. Anyways. Panning for gold in a stream of information, search, video, blah blah, blah. Okay, Nvidia shares are trading up 1.76%, supported by bullish analyst sentiment. Let's see here. Stock recommendations require understanding risk tolerance okay, not just today's news.

00:30:28:17 - 00:30:55:24
Unknown
Rather than recommending specific stocks. Here's what today's Nvidia momentum tells us about market opportunities okay. So it's got a little graph. You know it does say chart unavailable. So that's that's too bad. Why it video strength matters for related stocks. Yeah. So it's it's boilerplate. Yeah. Like what what is the Nvidia is there like big. Oh yeah there is there is a video on this today.

00:30:55:24 - 00:31:18:14
Unknown
One is that China is allowing various big companies to buy their chips. And they did a, $2 billion investment in. So they forget, you know, so there were, there were a couple of newsy things. It could have, it could have gone to the new if, if it were a, if you took that exact same question and put it in Gemini.

00:31:18:17 - 00:31:35:09
Unknown
You see the reasoning. Right. Well let me look and see what the news is. Let me see this. Let me see that it would go through a process. Yeah. This is just, this is rudimentary a little bit Pierce. Yeah. And I mean I did go back and tweak it. And I said given today's Nvidia China news okay.

00:31:35:09 - 00:32:02:07
Unknown
What are some stock. And so then it says China's approval of Nvidia's H 200 okay. They're good chip sales is reshaping semiconductor investment opportunities blah blah blah. You know it does give the tables, which is what Fast Company was saying is a lot of reliance. And, you know, integration of these like graphical or visual kind of presentations of information, not just walls of text and stuff.

00:32:02:10 - 00:32:29:00
Unknown
So they're still they're still alive and kicking. That's pretty much Gemini. Sidebar given today's Nvidia news. Okay. Got the word China. Let's go ahead and see. I mean, these things are probably, probably prohibited from giving stock advice. Almost certainly. That's why I said that. Yeah. Looking at yeah that's true. That's true. Don't don't tell me what to actually buy.

00:32:29:00 - 00:32:47:16
Unknown
Tell me what to look at. To buy. Yeah. So I so I don't know what the what the big story was on this other than hey it's Yahoo! We're talking about Yahoo! Again. Yahoo has an I thing is this, I think at the end of the day, I was just kind of like, how is this very different? I mean, underneath the hood, they're tapping into Claude.

00:32:47:19 - 00:33:11:09
Unknown
They're also tapping into Bing's open web APIs. So that's everything under, you know, the hood, behind the scenes. Gemini says based on Nvidia 200 China approval news. Okay, okay. It got that. Wait. So it new top stock recommendations based on the analysis on your screen on your screen. So because I did the sidebar it also integrated what it saw on the screen.

00:33:11:12 - 00:33:33:24
Unknown
Right. And current market data Nvidia core. We've ASML core. We was the other news. Yeah yeah okay okay. Disclaimer I'm an AI not a financial advisor. So here's the neither. Are we amusing Lloyd, can you do me a favor and just go to yahoo.com? Yeah. How many years since you've done that? I don't know if it'll be it for you.

00:33:33:24 - 00:34:00:12
Unknown
Yesterday, when we talked about the story for that. Okay. If you scroll up a little bit. Oh, wait wait, wait. You're right. Make Yahoo your home page. That's that's like so 1998. But it is. But I bet you a lot of people do this. I bet you that's the big reason why you got 250 million monthly users. Like this is the sort of thing that I would imagine my parents would do, right?

00:34:00:12 - 00:34:15:13
Unknown
Because, hey, here's a single place that tells me all this news that's happening right now. And, you know, I mean, they don't use Yahoo mail, but if they did, they definitely have this bookmarked as their landing page, you know what I mean? I think a lot of you're right that I don't want to throw my sweet on the bus.

00:34:15:16 - 00:34:33:03
Unknown
She, she had to get a new computer and it was not working. Or she was having problems with it, whatever. And, she, had trouble figuring out getting the Facebook because he always shows up Facebook on her phone. I said, well, go to facebook.com, and it's like it never occurred to her that Facebook was on the web.

00:34:33:03 - 00:34:56:08
Unknown
To her, it was an app on her phone. So yeah, people are like them. Yeah, exactly. Maybe not us, but people are out there. I mean seriously, 700 million global monthly users is nothing to sneeze at. I do the math. There's a there's a lot of people using Yahoo still whether we realize, you know that's happening behind the scenes or not, it just is just kind of crazy.

00:34:56:11 - 00:35:12:22
Unknown
So well, there we go. We've got a lot more to talk about. And I hope that you're up to it. I feel like we already spent so much time on our first block. We've got two blocks left, to go. So let me know if you're if you're, you know, I'm hanging in there. Survive. All right. You're doing all right.

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All right. Going to take a quick break and then we got some stories, some more, news stories, including kind of a check in on what Apple's up to in the AI world coming up in a moment.

00:38:32:22 - 00:39:00:06
Unknown
All right, a few Apple stories to, check out. Of course, Bloomberg's Mark Gurman is responsible for a large part of it, as he usually is when it comes to to Apple news says that Siri is going to make some changes here that are, yes, more conversational, comparable to other major players. So Claude ChatGPT, Gemini, all of this makes a whole lot of sense.

00:39:00:06 - 00:39:27:15
Unknown
It's kind of no nonsense when you consider that Gemini is now confirmed to be the AI that's going to be driving Siri underneath the hood. So this essentially means that an upcoming version of Siri, you know, is going to lean further into the summarized search responses the content creation, image generation, setting, making adjustments to settings inside the phone, multi-modal analysis of files and all that kind of stuff.

00:39:27:18 - 00:39:52:01
Unknown
Also, a deeper integration of Siri into Apple's core apps, which I think that could be really powerful. So, you know, having having Siri driven by Gemini inside of mail, music, TV, podcasts, photos, all of Apple's other apps, which is, you know, largely what Google is doing with Gemini in its own products. You know, you'll get given a demo at the beginning and all that.

00:39:52:04 - 00:40:07:15
Unknown
And there was a bake off for who would be, yeah, the serono to the the Siri, behind the scenes Siri know Siri knows the Bergerac.

00:40:07:17 - 00:40:20:23
Unknown
But I'm guessing that a lot of the value that Google could offer was basically consulting, helping them figure out how to integrate this in their own stuff.

00:40:20:25 - 00:40:45:11
Unknown
That, well, I mean, they get a lot of value of their very AI being at the core of of Siri as well. That's certainly what I'm saying is that Apple chose. Yeah, I think that Google was so far ahead with that kind of integration. And Apple's likely ambitions if you're in the Apple, if Apple, if Apple does not exploit your membership in its ecosystem.

00:40:45:13 - 00:41:06:25
Unknown
To full value with AI it's a fool. Yeah. And they know that and they're behind on AI. So they didn't just need an Lem. They didn't just need a chat ICU. They needed full integration. They needed something that was capable of of existing inside of all of their core apps as well. Yeah. Yeah. No you're willing to do it on a white label basis.

00:41:06:27 - 00:41:39:11
Unknown
But Google's cagey. They got benefit out of it no doubt one of em. You know and I think that there was going to be an effort here to become the Kleenex of AI. And, it was presumed to be open AI and now it should be presumed to be open AI. No, it kind of seems like, that the year 2026, there's a lot more of that that I'm hearing, which is, you know, the, you know, open AI has been the darling, but maybe not quite as much as we're heading into this next year.

00:41:39:11 - 00:42:08:10
Unknown
You know it. I guess we'll find out. All of this, by the way, expected to release, as one can imagine and expect, in its next major OS update, which is coming expected Wwdc, which is the worldwide developer conference, its big developer conference that happens every summer. Apple's so this is expected to launch then, two years after Apple had initially, and I think it's already been that.

00:42:08:10 - 00:42:27:09
Unknown
Right. Or was was Apple's big announcement last year and I can't remember. I can't even remember. I mean, even if it's one year later. But it's been a long year for Apple, considering the promises that they made very publicly and then not being able to kind of deliver on them, they've had to eat a lot of crow in the process, whether they admit it or not.

00:42:27:09 - 00:42:53:25
Unknown
So, but Apple is designing the system in a way that allows them, at least according to reporting on this, to switch out the underlying models at some point, you know, so maybe that means that Apple, you know, has the potential to carve different partnerships. Maybe that means that Apple's own model theoretically could be integrated somewhere down the line, if they care to do that.

00:42:53:28 - 00:43:28:07
Unknown
Yeah. I wonder if they care to do that. Well, be curious to see. And we haven't even talked about Apple's AI hardware ambitions yet either. Because the Information has a report, although I'm linking to TechCrunch because I can actually show more of the article, but it's an if the information report on an Apple I pin wearable, which the information says thin, flat, circular disk, aluminum and glass shell, two cameras, three mikes Partridge in a pear tree, a speaker, a spatial sink.

00:43:28:09 - 00:43:53:25
Unknown
Yes, a kitchen sink, a speaker, a button, a charging strip on the back and in some ways similar to, you know, some of the murmurings that we've heard about OpenAI Isaiah wearable, which also happens to be a collaboration with Apple Design alum Johnny. I've so okay, Apple, get in on the AI hardware thing as well. None of this though, sounds very revolutionary to me.

00:43:53:25 - 00:44:29:16
Unknown
No, no it doesn't. I put up, I didn't put it up, nor should you have. I put up a press release from OpenAI, in which they, coined the new phrase capability overhang. And what the what they're saying is that people come into open AI all of a sudden and they kind of don't know what to do with it, which is to say it's a solution looking for a problem, which is, okay, this is the hardware version of that, you know, and unless you're Steve Jobs and say you never thought of this, but I did, and I know you're going to want it, that was Steve Jobs magic power in the end.

00:44:29:16 - 00:44:53:12
Unknown
Yeah. With the iPhone and the AI. Yeah. The, the iPad and the, but you can't have all your music. Oh, the iPod, iPod that you make. Right. So those were all inventions of use cases we didn't imagine. Yeah. Now they've got the the hardware could do amazing things. I don't doubt it. Software is there.

00:44:53:12 - 00:45:30:21
Unknown
But to what end? I don't think there's a vision. I haven't heard any vision. They get surprises. Oh, you're never here. You needed this. Now you're going to depend upon it. I hope for that. Yeah. I mean, you know, just taking these two stories, like, what occurred to me is Apple has been really good. And, you know, historically speaking, in the past, let's say 20 years, Apple has been really good at making sure that when they finally or when it finally releases something, it's not just another one of those other somethings like they do, they do it, but they do it kind of with that special apple magic that makes it feel different or makes

00:45:30:21 - 00:45:58:07
Unknown
it feel new, or makes it feel so incredibly polished that it makes everything else, you know, as was the case with the iPod, right? Makes everything else pale in comparison. It's like they weren't the first to market, but they just created such a great version of that that suddenly they dominated. And neither of these things, you know, they both of these things, let's say, sound more like catch up than they do, like a fresh take on an old story.

00:45:58:09 - 00:46:19:15
Unknown
Yep. I agree, you know, more more ketchup and mustard. Yes, I think it is. And if OpenAI does come out with one of these, like if this is what they're truly working on, I feel that's kind of like it's kind of a slap in the face for what they've been saying all along about how they aren't going to do what everybody else is doing.

00:46:19:15 - 00:46:43:14
Unknown
This really does sound like what everybody else has been trying. All the third party, you know, the kind of lower tier, I pin, I note taking devices, things like that. There's so many of them now, I don't know how you go back to your first story, go back to your first demo. I think that the, the great value here is going to be, ecosystem buying.

00:46:43:16 - 00:47:08:03
Unknown
Google and Apple are the two places that have it, and OpenAI does not. They don't. What would they have to do to get your calendar and your mail and other things that matter in your life? Yeah. It's an impossible mountain to climb. Yeah. Right. Yeah. They they have to they certainly have to jump through a lot more hoops than a Google that already has access to these things, and people are already using them for all of those reasons.

00:47:08:07 - 00:47:53:05
Unknown
Yep. Thing. Yeah. Mozilla CEO is describing Mozilla, the company's approach to AI as a, quote, Rebel Alliance, a Rebel Alliance. What does that even mean? They're basically advocating for a more open and trustworthy AI ecosystem, and they're making deals to, to move in that direction. I mean, Mozilla is a nonprofit, after all. Leveraging $1.4 billion in reserves to fund startups and build alternative infrastructure where they prioritize, you know, transparency over that straight rush to profit and to speed and all that kind of stuff.

00:47:53:05 - 00:48:20:18
Unknown
Mozilla ventures, which, launched in 2022, has apparently invested in more than 55 companies, many along this path. There's a company called trail, which is a German startup that offers AI governance solutions for regulated enterprises. There's Transformer Lab, which is a Canadian startup building open source tools for developers, so that they can like, train and evaluate their models.

00:48:20:20 - 00:48:42:01
Unknown
An open source platform for training and deploying AI models. So they're making a lot of investments to this end. And, yeah. Okay. Yeah. Like you said, Hallelujah. Like at least somebody is is still committing themselves to the open source side of things. Open source investing and small places investing in research in other areas. Holy. Yeah.

00:48:42:03 - 00:49:09:23
Unknown
Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I mean, of course they're going to face some challenges, along the way. Well, the current presidential administration isn't too keen on, what it sees as like woke AI, you know, commitments or regulations and that sort of stuff. And maybe this might fall into that camp, but it also goes to somebody needs to defend the First Amendment.

00:49:09:25 - 00:49:41:20
Unknown
I want to say rights, but the First Amendment context of AI. That we can't have government, decreed, worldviews that and if everybody's going to do it, Mozilla will. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. They're in a good position to do that. Surman who is the, CEO, says he's aiming for the open source AI ecosystem to become more mainstream for developers this year.

00:49:41:20 - 00:50:03:05
Unknown
So CS 2026 is a big year for this. Of course, this is where all their, you know, all their energy and attention is is. So that's probably driving that that outlook. But also targeting 20% annual growth for the for the company in the organization in non search revenue to prove that its model can actually be economically viable.

00:50:03:05 - 00:50:31:00
Unknown
So at a time when it seems like meta might be throttling back on its open. Yeah, I kind of, you know, initiatives. So there you go. I have no doubt you'll find a good ally in Yann LeCun. Yes. Yeah. Very, very good, very good transition. Friend of the show. Y'all look good. Hello, Yann. Behind this paywall.

00:50:31:03 - 00:51:05:29
Unknown
Says in a New York Times piece that the industry's pursuit of lamb dominance is actually heading in bad places. Now, not really saying anything. He hasn't shared before says that, at least to my knowledge, LLM technology is fundamentally limited and incapable of reaching human intelligence and says the drive that he sees of many people in technology, and in big Tech towards this goal with lamb is, he says, led more by like the herd effect than anything else.

00:51:06:03 - 00:51:34:16
Unknown
So maybe that's what I bet you on. I'd like to look on, in New York, a few months ago, he used the phrase, lamb pilled, like, or maybe in a high or low on pilled. Yeah. And he's been using it since. If obedience from really effectively. What really struck me here, this is a good preamble to the next story, which is served as a Sabbath Sabbath salvation.

00:51:34:18 - 00:52:09:22
Unknown
DeepMind. DeepMind has done very much in the Lim scale school. The event that I where I met you look on, was turned into a debate between him and Adam Brown of DeepMind and Adam Brown was scale will do it all scale alarms will get us there more. Well, and John was was adamant against well according to Gary Marcus his perspective on this Sampras has now said that, he's, he seems to be going on on the team John bus saying that we need role models and the role models are going to matter.

00:52:09:22 - 00:52:45:00
Unknown
And I think that that can be a this could be a really important moment here where we see a shift and it also shifts. Then if DeepMind goes this way alongside, the core, it leaves OpenAI kind of dangling out there. Because they're he's propelled it. Evans newsletter. But it just it just said well our scales what with our and and better say that's not good news.

00:52:45:08 - 00:53:01:00
Unknown
You want something better than 1 to 1. You want to, you know, a bigger growth. But OpenAI is saying we don't want LMS and we don't scale. And I think we're going to see where they're stuck. And it's not so much whether or not they do a good thing or not, or whether they get this contract or not.

00:53:01:03 - 00:53:34:11
Unknown
I think the vision piece could well be shown to be, empty. There. So if in fact, DeepMind and LeCun end up going down the same path, which we know that, just as long is also down on world models and digital twins, I think this this year really becomes the year of world models. And if that's the case, like, you have to imagine that that OpenAI like, it's hard for me to imagine that OpenAI isn't also exploring this.

00:53:34:11 - 00:53:58:09
Unknown
Right. Like they'd be stupid to not be, but so many of their power points because so much of their money. All right. Yeah. And so much of their, their kind of backing and attention and energy is really dedicated and directed at their. Right. Yeah. Right. Well, efforts behind the scenes, I have to imagine they're also working on this, or at least looking at it.

00:53:58:12 - 00:54:17:03
Unknown
So as you know what I mean, like, would be silly if they weren't, but I but they're not they're not leading with that, that's for sure. And maybe it takes more, more minds like Demis to come out and say this. You know, we're used to John. That's John's like that's John Stick now. Yeah. That's his shtick. That's his playbook.

00:54:17:03 - 00:54:42:04
Unknown
We know that now. Now we're just kind of waiting for others who lead like demos because that's a that's a pretty big kind of transition point, you know, for demos. And maybe that ends up being the, the added, need, you know, that shifts the conversation a little bit more on a wider scale, I think. So what is this LeCun piece, you know, and I don't know that it's I mean, it's related, but it's not related.

00:54:42:11 - 00:55:03:02
Unknown
It's. Yeah. Yeah, it's kind of it's it's a bit tongue in cheek. It's it's satire. Yeah. It's called five Ways to Act deluded, stupid, Ineffective or Evil by Yann LeCun, published yesterday. But he's also trying to come up with a taxonomy of where AI goes wrong. Got it. So this is the first part of this is how to make AI stupid.

00:55:03:04 - 00:55:18:27
Unknown
You know, it works off a faulty world model. It doesn't do this. It doesn't do that. It's, you know, I wish I could sit in on a, LeCun class at NYU. I wouldn't understand a damn thing, but he has this way of, you know, he we all, when we talk with the he talk about the cat knows more than we do.

00:55:18:27 - 00:55:43:08
Unknown
And and you know, he he has these ways of presenting things that become concrete to people. Right. Because it just does it. He's playing with this and it's playing out loud, which is fun to watch him do. Indeed. It's it's worth reading through kind of kind of looks at the, kind of the fragility of human intelligence and how this look at how agents and, and, you know, all this stuff operates.

00:55:43:11 - 00:56:06:08
Unknown
But it is it is kind of I had to read through it a couple of times to even get any sort of sense of, of understanding from it. He even says up at the top semi humorous, geeky political satire ahead. So. Right. You know, you get a glimpse into Diallo elegans. Sense of humor, I suppose. But there's also all these guys you're trying to figure out how to think, how to reason.

00:56:06:10 - 00:56:32:19
Unknown
Right? And so they end up coming back on how people do it and how we do it badly. Yeah, yeah. True. Right before a show, I noticed that DeepMind had an announcement. Speaking of DeepMind, which is this new launch of Alpha Genome, which is an AI that can read up to 1 million letters of DNA code, basically, in an instant.

00:56:32:19 - 00:57:01:29
Unknown
And the goal here, of course, is to pinpoint the genetic mutations that can cause disease. Because, you know, I might I mean, my understanding, from reading through this is that essentially we have a good, solid understanding of 2% of that genome, and then the remaining 98% is very, very much a work in progress. And, this is a model that is essentially, you know, dialed in and, and driven.

00:57:01:29 - 00:57:30:12
Unknown
It's trained on public databases of genetics, human genetics, to be able to allow researchers and scientists to pinpoint those mutations that could lead to disease. So, like cancer, heart disease, mental health, autoimmune disorders, all that stuff. And it could, you know, be part of the future, generation of gene therapy, development. Yep. This is where I really matters.

00:57:30:14 - 00:57:52:18
Unknown
Yep. Yeah. Never mind your burritos. A lot. Oh, come on, that burrito only. Yeah. I wonder how much how many gallons of water that burrito cost for me to do that trick. I don't know, did you see, did you happen to see the news? We talked about it last week with, with Alfred Nutella. Who filled in for you, which thanks again for.

00:57:52:19 - 00:58:23:24
Unknown
Thank you. Albert. It was it was fun doing the show with Alfred. You know, there was a story that compared the water usage of, XYZ kind of massive data center, most, you know, largest data center to water use of a typical in and out burger chain and basically said, you know, when you compare these things, the AI data center compares to about two and a half of the burger chains, at least according to that data.

00:58:23:26 - 00:58:47:19
Unknown
So it kind of put it, you know, kind of put a little, I don't know, a little peg into the wheel of of. Yeah. I don't know how spot on or accurate it was, but it made a compelling case. But anyways, all right, we're going to, just ask you real quick if you have not given us a review, please do, Apple podcast is a great place to do it.

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00:59:02:19 - 00:59:06:00
Unknown
That's coming up here in a moment.

00:59:06:02 - 00:59:29:16
Unknown
Okay. Speed round time we have. Let's see here the DMA strikes again. The Digital markets Act in the EU. The EU is basically telling Google to open up its Android and its search data to third parties so that they can integrate their own AI assistants into Google's products the way Google does. So Google, you know, as we were talking about earlier, right?

00:59:29:16 - 00:59:53:08
Unknown
Like Gemini has strong, deep kind of ties and access to Google's products. And the EU is basically saying, hey, why doesn't everybody have the ability to have their I do that. So but this just goes so much in the face of what the EU also cares about. Importantly, it's really the only real regulation of node around it, which is privacy.

00:59:53:11 - 01:00:17:09
Unknown
If you're Google, what if a nefarious actor comes along with their agents? They say, oh, I got to have the same access Gmail. You have Google. Right. And they fool somebody into doing something. I I think this is, I think their, this is the problem with presuming you can solve everything through regulation. And, and you don't see the unintended consequences of one having an impact on the other.

01:00:17:12 - 01:00:36:07
Unknown
And is it a lack, just a lack of actual understanding of how technology, how these technologies work? Is it a rush? I think it's more politically regulate before there's understanding or it's also political kneejerk all these Google Google is going to be headed agencies have to stop will be an agency. So we'll put it this regulation. Well okay.

01:00:36:07 - 01:00:59:02
Unknown
Let's go to the next applications of that regulation okay. If if that then what. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Right. You says Google has six months to open things up, for third parties or face stiff consequences, penalties up to 10%. And mind you, we've just started the AI assistant game, and they're already acting like Google's way ahead the behind with us.

01:00:59:03 - 01:01:32:04
Unknown
And what are we doing there? We're just beginning. They just announced something today. Yeah. Yeah. It's true. It's a good point. Yep. Let's see here. Speaking of agents, now that, AI chat bots and agents are getting cozy with brands for things like shopping. And if you've wondered about the economics behind the scenes for that. Well, Shopify told The Information that OpenAI gets a 4% fee for any sales made through ChatGPT.

01:01:32:09 - 01:01:51:09
Unknown
We've wondered about this, right? Like when agents are going to the sites, like there's obviously there's clearly going to be some sort of exchange of value, through that. And that's 4%. Apparently, in the case of Shopify. That's not a small percentage. Oh, it's not at all. You add that to the credit card clearance numbers of at least 3%.

01:01:51:11 - 01:02:29:16
Unknown
Yeah. You know, you're better off driving to the store in cash. Yeah. Interesting. And ChatGPT ends up having access to all that data potentially that that, you know, that led to making that sale. So the shop is, is handing over a lot more than just 4% of, you know, 4% fee as well. So super curious to see how merchants respond to this, as they are faced with with that, Microsoft announced an in-house chip for AI inferencing called Maya 200.

01:02:29:16 - 01:02:54:29
Unknown
It's a 100 billion transistor chip. I almost feel like it needs to be a 200 billion if it's called the 200. Anyways, it's not it's a 100 billion transistor chip. Very massive. Works faster, lower power than its predecessors. And, kind of a big play for Microsoft to, you know, continue to kind of chip away at the, the reliance, like the industry reliance on Nvidia's technology.

01:02:55:01 - 01:03:25:27
Unknown
Microsoft's actually integrating this into the backbone of copilot. Of course. Also it's superintelligence teams. And, becoming a little more self-reliant in the process, I suppose. But and this goes back to a story we had a few weeks ago where Nvidia kind of bought and kind of didn't buy grok with a Q yeah, because it was a very a realizing that, there was going to be huge demand for inference chips, not just, chips for training.

01:03:26:00 - 01:03:50:12
Unknown
And what this what's going on now is everybody got surprised by memory chips. So there's other pieces of the chip ecosystem that are now joining into the fun. Yeah. Yeah, indeed. So that is my, 200, the Maya 100, by the way, released a couple of years ago. Just so you know, 20, 23, is a lot, lot better.

01:03:50:20 - 01:04:19:07
Unknown
And then finally, we've got the EU once again launching a formal investigation. Not happy with exi because I, you know, the the platform was used, the, to generate non-consensual sexual imagery of women and children. Not a good thing. The EU is very unhappy. And it has announced a probe into whether I actually tried to mitigate those risks of of those offenses.

01:04:19:07 - 01:04:40:04
Unknown
And, so we'll see where that leads. I know that EXi has made some changes in, you know, in the shadow after much, much attention and pressure. Yet, you know, occasional jailbreak where somebody does something bad I don't think is worthy of a huge investigation. The moral panic a decent company would come along and say, oops and fix it.

01:04:40:06 - 01:05:07:04
Unknown
Yeah, but, they landed in the EU. Exactly. They've been too far out there saying, oh, we could do nasty stuff. And so I think it's a, it's a investigation of their motives and their means that it is worthwhile. Yeah, yeah. Faces up to, 6% fines, up to 6% of its worldwide annual revenue, potentially. So yeah, pretty significant.

01:05:07:06 - 01:05:27:20
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See where that leads. Jeff, you got to take, you got to you got to rest. I have a feeling, because we've been doing the show for an hour, and I don't know how your back is doing, but I'm really happy to be able to do a show. I'm really happy to be here. It's. It's good to talk to you, human being, but my wife and my my daughter here in the house, and they're wonderful, doctor, but they're sick of me.

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