OpenAI's Path to IPO

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Coming up, Jeff Jarvis is back, and we dive into OpenAI's for profit recapitalization. And what that means for Microsoft. Also, how we might soon see OpenAI in the IPO spotlight. Also, kids don't cite rocket PDA as a source for your homework.

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Just little advice. Nate Jones says that Amazon's recent layoffs might be less about AI than people think. And Adobe announced some new creative tools that I certainly love. Coming up on the AI inside podcast.

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Hello everybody, and welcome to another episode of the AI Inside Podcast, the show where we take a look at the AI that is layered throughout so much of the world of technology. Moo ha ha! I am one of your host, Jason Howell, joined again once again after a week hiatus. Jeff Jarvis is back. Good to have you back, Jeff.

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Unknown
Good to be back, my friend. I don't know, I travel a lot as much as I used to, you know? I mean, you know, in my two years, almost two years of independence, you know, one of my kind of charters for myself was to travel more to events and opportunities. And I have a real mixed feeling about it because, like on one hand, I like I like getting out of my zone and going to things and mingling and meeting new people and everything.

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Unknown
But on the other hand, like as I get older, like, traveling is not as easy as, you know, the old, you know, I'm not saying I'm old and air quotes, but as I get older, I just notice it's less easy than it was ten years ago or 15 years ago, you know? So I was at the, median target and, media days, Munich, which was interesting in that there was a lot of I talk there because around media, everybody's trying to get the gravy for their meat loaf.

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But there was a really, really smart, woman, named Julie Crippen at, by Rundfunk, the Bavarian radio company. She's doing really neat stuff. Maybe we can have a conversation with her coming up. That'd be cool, right? It was a neat company that did live. Not only transcription, but translation of all of the talks, which was really interesting.

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Unknown
So that my my German isn't very good. And so I was able to follow along better. And a lot of talk about, the one of the government minister has gone up and talked about. Well, in the time we've been here, Google has made $400 trillion and none. And, you know, they're still whining about, Silicon Valley.

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Unknown
But they're all recognizing the need to be AI smart. So it was it's good to get out of the house once in a while to hear what other people are. Yeah, it does force a shift in perspective. Now, you now we have at the very top of this run. Now, before we get into kind of the main news segment, you you said for the sake of the show, I will suffer this torture, along with a link to an AI Advantage summit.

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Unknown
I'm so curious to hear what you have to say about this in eight days. Yeah. It's not, it's not, I don't get full empathy because it's not in person. Okay. So it's only online is three days of an hour or two each day. Three hours a day? For three days, I think. Or even more than that.

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Unknown
And it's Tony Robbins, you know, the incredibly tall of motivational speaker. Oh, very well. What does he have to say? But I, I don't get it. And, how to find your motivation through artificial intelligence chat bots? I just don't get it. So I thought I watched the video, and it's really obnoxious. It's it's,

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And Dean, I'll probably mispronounce it, crazy. Okay. Then they have Marc Benioff, Arthur Brooks from Harvard, who's always, touchy feely stuff. It looks obnoxious as hell, but I thought I would go for the sake of the show, and, I reserved my free seat, and now I'm getting coffee. My bar has only eight days to go.

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Unknown
Well, there's seven days to go. And then they try to get you to to buy side and extra things for $1 oh oh. So they get your I was going to say when's the upsell happening like this. Yeah. It starts at $1. So we'll see I my life could be changed. Jason I could come back. I'm changed.

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Unknown
Man. Or I'll come back with a lot of gags. We'll see. Interesting. Do you find yourself less excited going to a virtual summit like this versus, like, if you had an actual event to go to? Well, less excited, but less inconvenienced. Yeah. That's true. Yeah, true. I was on the person, the whoever was before me, and Munich canceled.

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Unknown
So they said, could you stretch to an hour of it? You know me. Can I talk longer? Yeah. And so I was going to be on for half an hour. I was on for an hour and a fireside talk with a wonderful guy named, Richard Goodyear. And, but it was three for 3 to 4 days out of my life for that little tiny slice of time before a few dozen people and a total shift in time zone like an upside down, topsy turvy.

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Unknown
Yeah, that's what that's why I say, like, it's a little exhausting as I get older. Like, my trip to Dublin was amazing. I wouldn't I wouldn't not go at this point. It was a wonderful trip and everything, but I like I definitely paid the price when I came back. You know, it takes me longer to to kind of reintegrate and get readjusted and yeah, so it's a balance I suppose I got.

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Unknown
I'll be curious to hear last Thursday. Then last Friday I drove to Massachusetts. I also wanted to see my son in New Hampshire, but I went to the, Museum of Printing. I want to plug them for a second because it's a wonderful place. If you are ever north of Boston in Haverhill, go to the museum. It's open every Saturday.

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Unknown
They have a working linotype. And, you know, that's my passion. And so for the end of my upcoming book, Hard Type, we set the last page of the book using the Linotype, which was all kinds of fun. Took us forever, trying to figure it out. Right. This wonderful one page, volunteer there, and, and I got some photos of the Linotype, and we still fell in love.

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Unknown
How cool. That's such a great idea. Ha! I have the actual tape. I should have brought it in to show you, but this is the, This was set on a linotype, and then we have proof, so we're going to have an image of that. It wasn't even the whole page. It was just like a portion of the page.

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Yeah. Took us like four hours to do, figure it out, but it was so much fun. So, yeah, what I get was you are pretty folks. It's a beautiful, wonderful place. Last night I had a dream that I, was giving Tom Hanks a demonstration of the linotype there, which was wishful thinking, because maybe we could happen.

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Unknown
Name of it to the Tom Hanks Museum of Printing and Typewriters so we could get his money to keep it alive. So, it's a wonderful place. You know, the strangest thing? Old technology to new. There you go. The. You never know. Tom Hanks, if you want to come on and talk about it, the possibility, let us know.

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Unknown
We're we're pretty easy. We're here. Contacted. I said touch. I'll work with your special. Exactly. We'll we'll do whatever it takes. All right, so we got talk starting things off about OpenAI. Right. Because we've been talking about this for quite a while. OpenAI officially completed its recapitalization. It is now a for profit corporation under a nonprofit foundations oversight, for whatever that means.

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Unknown
I'll be honest, I've talked about this a couple of times on Daily Tech News Show. We've talked about it on the show in the past, and yet there's something about just this whole thing that still kind of is hard for me to follow, really hard for me to to bite my teeth into or sink my teeth into. Other than the fact that OpenAI, you know, their charter before, is obviously clearly very different than what it is now.

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Unknown
I think the news today is that, you know, that Sam Altman and OpenAI, obviously, you know, marching down the path toward an IPO. So that's probably going to happen at some point, and potentially in the near ish future. You know, the the relationship between Microsoft and OpenAI and the stake has shifted around. But, yeah, I don't know.

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Unknown
What do you think about this? Like, obviously we're not surprised it happened. Oh, no, we knew it was going to happen. But I would love to see the whole cap table. I think I've been arguing since this started that this is all about the negotiation of of who owned what piece of the equity. So as it comes out, Microsoft owns 27% of value.

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Unknown
As of this writing, at $135 billion, down from 32.5%. So they lost. They lost a great, OpenAI Foundation owns 26%, so roughly, $130 billion worth of it. So the foundation maintains that. And then the 47% of the equity is held by investors and employees. I don't know what SoftBank got for its $30 billion in this.

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I be curious to know what their piece of the equity is. But they're all going to make, one presumes, a good chunk of change come the exit coming IPO. And so Microsoft I think at first.

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Unknown
I think in the end, I've got to give Microsoft points because it struck me at first that they were a little desperate. They didn't have an AI strategy. Google did, but it was unsung. Microsoft threw in its lot with OpenAI. So it wasn't really Microsoft strategy, but they got a lot of attention for it. They they brought their users.

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Unknown
ChatGPT. And they powered copilot. They got a big hunk of this company. A lot of that wasn't from cash. It was from, computer tech, from compute. So I think Microsoft was pretty cagey in this case. What do you think? Yeah. I mean, they get exclusive access to some of this. Okay, this is funny.

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20% cut of revenue like before. That revenue share will end if and or when OpenAI discovers AGI. I thought that was hilarious because it's like, oh, here it is. We discovered it here. Wow. What do you know? We have AGI now as determined by an independent panel. So there is at least some sort of, at least according to, to the deal, some sort of disassociated, kind of arbiter of what AGI actually is.

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But wow, that's so elusive and strange. Hey, what do you know? We discussed like, oh, but Bigfoot had it all along. Here it is. It's under this rock over here. We found AGI. It was right around the corner. Right. Yeah, it's it's absurd. So you remember a few weeks ago, DeepMind came up with their own definitions of AGI.

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Unknown
I read a paper last week, where a bunch of people signed on to other definitions of AGI is still B.S., in my view. Still complete, utter B.S., and and ridiculous that it's written into a contract without a definition. That's that's what I'm saying. Like when I read this, I was like, okay, well, then, all right, like, what does that even mean?

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Unknown
I don't even know what that right, but that. Right. They don't. Neither do they. Yeah. They don't, they just they just have a strong feeling that there is some sort of like next stage, next level. And I'm sure given a longer, long enough timeline, there probably is. But wow, that's that's really loosey goosey. Microsoft gets exclusive access to open AI's new technology until 2032.

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Unknown
That does include AGI. If OpenAI suddenly discovers it, hiding under a rock. Yeah. Do you think Allen regrets the Microsoft deal? Oh, God, I'm going. Yeah, I don't I don't know, I would, I would say no, because if it gets you going then like, you know, if he's a reasonable person, which who the heck knows with someone, you know, in his position how reasonable he actually is.

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Unknown
But if he's reasonable, I would say, yeah, I think I don't think or sorry, I would say no, I don't think that he regrets it because would OpenAI be where it is without that deal? You know, like you work with what you're given and and if that deal paves the path for the next stage, then be kind of silly to regret it.

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Unknown
You know, there was another story I didn't put in the rundown this week that, I think that Altman has done something like $1 trillion worth of forward looking deals. Yeah. You know, we we talked about them over the weeks, but the story made a point that he basically did not use any advisors for it. He used no bankers, which saved him bankers fees, which can be considerable, but also was a really egotistical thing to think.

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Unknown
I know how to do these huge deals with these huge companies with huge amounts of money, and I don't need no help. So we'll see. We'll see how the fate of OpenAI goes. Interestingly, he not only had to negotiate with companies, he also had to negotiate with the state of California. Right. Because that was a matter that the attorney general had to approve.

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Unknown
The switch from not for profit to for profit. And that's always a very dicey thing to do under tax law. And so Altman, negotiated basically said, gee, I'd really like to keep the company here in California and not follow Elon to Texas. But, you know, you got to approve the deal. Yeah. I mean, so his quote, because he shared this on, on Twitter, sorry.

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Unknown
It's soon. Soon twitter.com, by the way, goes away in like a couple of weeks. Really. Yeah. They're they're shutting it off. So it's just going to be I can't type it I can't type the other letter I won't I know it's hard for me to I'm about I'm about 5050 how I get there nowadays. But he did share on x California's my home and I love it here.

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Unknown
When I talked to Attorney General Bonta two weeks ago, I made it clear that we are not going to do what we're not going to do. What those other companies do with threatened to leave if sued were better than that. You could you could count on us, he says. We really wanted to figure this out and are really happy about where it all landed, and very much appreciate the work of the attorney general.

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Unknown
I also noticed when I read this that his little bio on X says AI is cool. I guess he said.

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Unknown
I don't know, maybe it's the maybe that's been there all along. I never noticed it and it and it just kind of is indicative of kind of what you were saying before about the, not not, you know, involving bankers or whatever part of his image seems to be, whatever I do, I do want, I want like, you know, it's cool.

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Unknown
I guess I just, I go over there, I deal with that thing. Whatever. Let's just move forward. It's cool. You know? And it is an image more than anything else, but I guess I don't know him personally, so I don't know how how true that statement is, but that's my assumption. So anyways, so, so Altman remains CEO without equity stakes.

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Unknown
Is that right? Also here, I don't know whether he has I don't think he has equity, which would be very odd if I were if I were on the board, you'd want him to be motivated. But Altman's doing just fine and he has pieces of companies they've invested in in all kinds of ways. Yeah. Altman watches out for Altman.

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Unknown
Just dandy. Yeah. Now he'll he's going to be okay. Yeah. Auburn is going to be just fine. Yeah. Okay. Well, there we go. That's open. I now, now on the path to an IPO, one has to imagine. I'm sure that's going to be news that we'll be seeing more and more mentions of in the coming months ahead.

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Amazon announced that that the company is cutting around 14,000 jobs, around 4% of its office workforce, one of its biggest job cuts in the company's history. Senior VP Beth Gillette says the company needs to operate, quote, like the world's largest startup. You know, in order to be successful Amazon, we need to operate like the world's largest startup. We do.

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Unknown
We really need to work hard to, to be successful. As if you aren't already. You guys are doing okay, too. Emphasis placed on fewer management layers, increasing company agility. Obviously, all this follows CEO Andy Jassy talking about, you know, wanting to integrate AI more into how the company operates and that there will be an impact on jobs as a result.

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Unknown
So, this comes on top of other layoffs. The Wall Street Journal did a story saying that, tens of thousands of white collar jobs are disappearing as AI starts to bite. United Parcel Service, is laying off 14,000 positions, in the management workforce, 48,000 jobs total. Though you certainly can't in the case of UPS say that.

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Unknown
That's all I since is people who drive trucks and move boxes. Target, got rid of 1800 corporate jobs, but then again, target has been ffo, finding out what happens when you piss off your own customers and it's it's results have been bad lately. The journal lists other white collar, departures from Rivian, Molson Coors, Booz Allen, and General Motors.

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Unknown
But that's also because the, electric vehicle market went down. My point being that it ain't just AI. It's not just one thing that's causing these jobs to go away. And I think it's it's too simplistic to say, AI is cutting into the workforce. Look what it's doing. Yes, it's having an impact. But I don't know. There's there's a guy on TikTok I watch all the time named Nate B Jones.

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Unknown
Yeah, he's good. He's really, really good and experienced. And he argues in the video that just does the screen. Now that the AI story about the layoffs at Amazon is fake and what he says, it's a fairly lengthy, smart argument here. But basically his argument is it's impossible to get chips. And, Wall Street expects a growth rate, presuming that Amazon can get lots of chips for AWS.

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Unknown
It's the most profitable part of Amazon retail being a very thin margin business. And because they can't get the chips and can't grow that way, the only thing they can do is cut what they can cut. And so they're cutting jobs and cutting costs there to to maintain margins. And that is not caused by AI purely. It's caused by the difficulty of keeping the AI business going when you can't get the engines.

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Unknown
Oh, interesting. Yeah. Variation. So. You know. Yeah. So what what does that mean about the Jazz's, you know, kind of march towards what he has said, you know, about integrating AI? Yes. That impacts and, employment at the company. I think isn't there. I put it in another story related to this, or I may have missed it now, I can't remember what it was, but, anyways, other companies doing this as well.

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Unknown
I mean, although, you know, kind of the the video that you put in there seems to say that this is not about AI, but Microsoft cut 15,000 jobs this year. Meta laid off around 3600 positions, about 5% of its workforce. Some of that many of those want I mean, at least some of those in their superintelligence labs AI division, which is interesting.

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Unknown
So a lot of this happening, what is the real reason, and does it have anything to do with AI? I guess now is the new question to ask. Yeah. If they really are, if AI is causing a good chunk of those jobs, go away. Yeah. So in my new book, which I'll keep plugging from now until eternity, cold Hot type out next June, I, I, I go through the history of the typewriter, and there's a wonderful book that I quoted at.

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Unknown
To what? The history of the filing cabinet. Once we got to the typewriter, I mean, print itself led to bureaucracy. The typewriter really led to bureaucracy, and the filing cabinet was a way that things no longer fit in books. They had to have a home somewhere. And they had. And it changed how we the taxonomy of information, the that information now had a new address.

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Unknown
Right. But this also, fills the bureaucracy available and you wonder how many of the jobs that AI does in fact eliminate our jobs we didn't really need because they were internal bureaucratic jobs. Right, right. Somebody doing more presentations for the sake of presentations, doing more reviews for the sake of reviews because, you know, just just layers within the bureaucracy of the company.

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Unknown
Yeah. And I may not have so much eliminated the jobs as shown which jobs weren't that valuable, which is good for the people who were doing them? No, totally. I mean, when the workforce, got to play the how to how do I organize what's what's on my mind right now when it's all organized around that inefficiency? The impact is still real.

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Unknown
The impact still, you know, is placed upon the workers that no longer had the jobs say. Yeah. So I guess what I'm saying is it's it's a little bit of cold comfort. It's kind of like, well, those jobs didn't need to exist in the first place. Yeah, but they did. And people, you know, had their livelihoods built around them and then suddenly they don't.

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Unknown
So I can understand. Yeah. I thought the internet was gonna do a lot of this. Ronald Coase, is the economist who's known for the theory of the firm. And why do you create a firm? Because it was where we came cheaper to do things internally than to hire out externally. And so corporations came along that did that.

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Unknown
And now we kind of reverse. We've seen there's a reversal happening ever since the internet and, and, global outsourcing of manufacturing and of labor and so on. You take the firm apart into pieces because it's cheaper to do it elsewhere. Yeah. And the Trump administration is trying to force it back into the country and back into corporations in a way.

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Unknown
But the economy has shown at the opposite. Now, in a case like Amazon, it's a new company still. But I think they probably reflexively did what people think. Companies do and were reinventing what the firm is now. Meanwhile, Amazon also did a lot of hiring in the pandemic, and I think that that's also wearing off. That's kind of yeah.

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00:25:39:29 - 00:26:15:12
Unknown
All right. I enjoy the creativity, kind of AI stories. And Adobe reached out to me last week and asked if I wanted to kind of sit in on some information that was related to their upcoming Adobe Max 2025 conference. I did that, and some of the stuff that they shared. As a user of Adobe products, I use the Creative Cloud suite a lot for what I do, just in creating podcasts and all the things that are associated with it, and so they shared some information that, I don't know, maybe I can put it into terms that that make you care a little, a little bit about it because I don't know, do you?

00:26:15:18 - 00:26:32:12
Unknown
I'm assuming you don't use Creative Cloud Suite at all, Jeff, or I don't have a lot of reason to because I'm not that kind of, Well, I mean, you know, you might not people might not be creative, but need to use it because they need to do a thing. You know, it is the place to do all these things now.

00:26:32:13 - 00:26:49:20
Unknown
It's amazing what Adobe has built. Adobe is a is a real star in my book Hot Type, which I plugged again, with the beginnings of of PostScript. And it really changed our relationship to all this creation. And it's built a tremendous suite of tools since then. So if you want to do anything pretty much now it's through Adobe.

00:26:49:23 - 00:27:06:00
Unknown
Oh yeah. And there are ways to do a lot of this stuff outside of Adobe. And actually there is kind of like a counter movement for Adobe that I've seen a lot of people kind of buying into, like the anti Adobe, like I don't want to pay the, you know, because Creative Cloud is, is a very expensive, thing to have to buy on.

00:27:06:05 - 00:27:28:29
Unknown
You know, pay for on a monthly basis to get access to all of their advanced tools. So there are ways to do it without. But they keep, you know, and especially in the last couple of years, they keep inserting AI and generative AI into their products in a way that actually solve some, some real problems. And a couple of these, I'm actually very excited about Firefly.

00:27:28:29 - 00:27:54:09
Unknown
Version five was their big announcement. This is basically their generative AI platform, which you know now has better image quality native four megapixel photorealistic output. So the the images that you get generated out of Firefly are just higher quality. Can, you know, you can blow them up larger. You can do a lot more with them. Now they have prompt based and layered image editing capabilities.

00:27:54:09 - 00:28:18:12
Unknown
The layered image capability is probably the thing that I most excited about. And my understanding of this is when you work in something, let's say you're if you're in Photoshop and you're creating images, a lot of times you're working within layers in order to layer this image on top of that image and, you know, keep things still fully tweakable over time instead of embedding them into each other.

00:28:18:12 - 00:28:40:09
Unknown
And, you know, it's next to impossible to kind of reverse that action because they're kind of integrated, right? Well, when you've used AI on these tools in the past, it kind of does the embedding as part of it. And I've always wondered like, well, why can't the created image be its own layer that I can then layer in and out and give me more flexibility?

00:28:40:09 - 00:29:11:24
Unknown
And that seems to be the direction that Adobe's heading here. So excited to work with that, just because that'll save me a lot of time undoing some of the things that I've had to do before. You know, you don't want to spend time undoing stuff. Also harmonization. So this idea of like, if I've got a scene that I'm putting, that I'm creating around and I want to put this, you know, red stapler into the scene, if I just paste a red stapler into there, it might not look like it belongs on the scene.

00:29:11:24 - 00:29:41:02
Unknown
It might look like a piece of clip art that's just kind of like pasted on top. And harmonization is this idea that using AI, it can analyze, you know, the the way light is cast in the, in the scene, it can use the, the the light and the dark levels and basically bring harmony to the imagery that you're inserting into it so that it feels like it belongs on that table or wherever you happen to put it, things like that, that just make, you know, these things kind of more usable and more more believable.

00:29:41:02 - 00:30:07:15
Unknown
Let's say, when you see them and then, you know, some of the other standard stuff, soundtrack generation. So Firefly is kind of expanding beyond just its strength, which has been image generation. And by the way, fully, licensed, images. So anything that Firefly creates with its own model, you can use, you know, as long as you have a Creative Cloud license, you can use that image anywhere.

00:30:07:15 - 00:30:32:12
Unknown
Same goes for the music that it generates. Same goes for the voiceover, content that it generates. It's all kind of open license trained on, I think Adobe's own kind of, material. So you don't have to worry about, you know, this being trained on somebody, you know, agreed to work or copyrighted work, let's say. So you have a lot of flexibility there.

00:30:32:12 - 00:31:03:26
Unknown
But and you're getting access to Google and open AI and yeah, all together as part of the cloud right there. Well, they are integrating a lot of the different tools and services into the platform as well. So like if you're using Adobe's Firefly, image generation, let's say you might also have access to Midjourney through there or you know what I mean.

00:31:03:26 - 00:31:29:06
Unknown
It's it's kind of like tapping into all the different things for what they're good for. The voice transcription, or rather the, the, like the audio generation for voice can be Adobe's model. It could also be whisper. I think it was whisper was their partner. I could be wrong on that one. But anyways, they are making these deals to integrate these things into their product.

00:31:29:08 - 00:31:50:05
Unknown
Another thing that they're doing is, agents, of course, we talk about agents all the time, kind of cross, app agents. So a single agent and this is called Project Moonlight, which is kind of testing right now. It's not fully launched, but as you probably know, Adobe has a ton of different apps and services that you can use.

00:31:50:05 - 00:32:15:00
Unknown
All do different things. And, you know, people have their careers based around a single one of those apps, let alone all of them. And so an AI assistant project, Moonlight, that can actually work between them for your projects could potentially be very useful. But I haven't really seen that put to the test, but it sounds pretty powerful. If it if it's done right though.

00:32:15:02 - 00:32:46:20
Unknown
Yeah. So I'm excited about some of that stuff. It's, you know, this topic's a little bit more feature feature related than it is, you know, thinky. But, I, I don't know, I think, I think Adobe has it's been interesting to watch Adobe lean into the generative AI at a time where a lot of I think the users of Adobe's creative products might not feel so comfy about AI because of the they're taking our jobs sort of argument.

00:32:46:23 - 00:33:10:18
Unknown
And Adobe, I think, does a good job of saying, look, we're not putting these in here to to take your job or whatever. We're putting this in here so that you, a graphic designer or a video editor or whatever, have more tools and capabilities to work with these tools to save yourself time, to make better results, to do all these things that aren't just all about, you know, replacing your need to be there in the first place.

00:33:10:18 - 00:33:59:17
Unknown
So I give Adobe a lot of credit. I think they're doing it right. Yep, I agree, and I like what I see. So there we go. And why don't we talk about OpenAI again. Always back to over there. I, neural trust uncovered a vulnerability in OpenAI's Atlas browser that allows attackers to exploit its omnibox. Of course, we're talking about prompt injection, which seems to be a recurring theme when it comes to kind of the AI browser, is that it's very easy to hide, you know, malicious prompts into URLs and, those get interpreted as natural language commands that, that kicks into gear of, you know, what is called a prompt injection attack and

00:33:59:20 - 00:34:28:17
Unknown
might have some, you know, some things that, that happen that, that you don't want to happen on your device, like deleting files or navigating to a phishing site when you don't realize that things like that. And, so in the, in the, the realm of AI integrated browsers, where we are seeing more and more of these right now, this is a really big kind of aspect of them that people need to at least understand and pay attention to, because it could happen.

00:34:28:19 - 00:34:48:29
Unknown
Yeah. The language we used to use there are cuticles there. What executables they could execute something on your on your machine and yes dangerous. And and they have access to your information even more than that. Right. Which is an issue you have to be careful about. I tried to install, OpenAI's Atlas to play with it. Okay.

00:34:49:04 - 00:35:20:11
Unknown
The, across. I'm normally on a Chromebook because I'm a Chromebook guy. But I have the Mac mini that I've had for years to do, the Twit podcasts. It's so old, I can't, but it won't let you know. Oh, I might have to buy a new Barack. But have you played with it yet? I have, I have, and yet I don't find myself going back to it as much as I thought.

00:35:20:12 - 00:35:51:09
Unknown
Right. And I think part of the reason is because, you know, as we've talked about many times, there's so many different, services. Perplexity, OpenAI. It's like they all have their own strengths. Gemini and I'm so used to using perplexity for the things that I use it for that when I use open AI and then by extension, that that browser for those things, which is all I can think to use that browser for, because that's what I use it for with, with a comet.

00:35:51:11 - 00:36:11:12
Unknown
I don't get quite what I'm looking for. Which is not to say that it's bad, it's just different. And I understand what perplexity is good for, for me and my work process. And so when I don't get quite that, even though I'm using ChatGPT version of that browser the same way that I'm less inclined to use it.

00:36:11:14 - 00:36:34:05
Unknown
Did you notice any major differences between I know you know much time to play with a bit between perplexity browser and OpenAI as a browser. Or the basic kind of I mean, I mean, the idea is essentially the idea is pretty, pretty similar. I feel like there is some sort of a difference. I'm pulling it up right now just to kind of take a look.

00:36:34:07 - 00:37:03:18
Unknown
I mean, one thing that I think is different, and maybe I just haven't dug into it to find a setting, is that the, the perplexity browser? So they're both based on chromium, the perplexity browser. I have all of my chrome, you know, extensions and stuff that are in there. So essentially it's for me, by all accounts, it's a Chrome browser, but that also has perplexity integrated into it.

00:37:03:21 - 00:37:25:24
Unknown
And when I open up the ChatGPT browser, I'm not seeing any of those extensions integrated into it. So that's a little less than what I. But but again, I'm saying this with fully realizing that I haven't really gone digging. I thought it might be somewhere in the settings and I just haven't found it yet. So if you have found it and you're yelling at me right now, like, dude, it's there, send us an email.

00:37:25:26 - 00:37:44:01
Unknown
Did I inside Dot show? I'd love to hear it. And, you know, maybe I'll remember to look in there, but let's build on that from him. Right? It's also built for me. I think it's it's built on chromium, too. But, you know, with chromium, I think you have the ability as you build out these things to determine what pieces of, like a chrome experience you want to integrate what you don't.

00:37:44:01 - 00:38:08:25
Unknown
And maybe there's a reason if they have actually eliminated, you know, the extension capability, which I'm again, I'm not certain that they have eliminated it, but I'm not seeing it. If they've done that, maybe there's a reason for it. You know, maybe, maybe that makes it more secure because they're not inviting in external, extensions. You know, I never thought to ask because, I mean, that I'm a Chromebook person and secondarily, a mac person.

00:38:08:25 - 00:38:33:04
Unknown
I don't have a windows machine around. Yeah, I have no idea how much, Microsoft has built Copilot AI capabilities into chat edge browser. Yeah, that's a good question. I'm interested to see what the differences might be there and also why Google hasn't yet at least matched perplexity and yeah. Now open AI. It's going to be interesting to see what happens with browsers.

00:38:33:04 - 00:38:56:28
Unknown
I'm not sure whether maybe it's because of antitrust fears. I'm not sure, but I'd be interested to play more. Yeah. I mean, you know, the Chrome browser has that little Gemini button that you that you can summon, but it is definitely I still oh that's right, you can't I don't have some I, I keep saying someday maybe you'll get it, but let's be honest, at this point you're probably not getting that stuff.

00:38:57:00 - 00:39:25:27
Unknown
Google apparently has. No, no, no incentive or something. But yeah, that button, it definitely works differently, right? Like, the the ChatGPT Atlas pulls out a little sidebar that takes up the top to bottom of the window. Same with perplexity. Comet Gemini is this little like window. And yes, you can resize it and everything, but I don't know, I yeah, it's all same, but different, I guess.

00:39:26:00 - 00:39:39:29
Unknown
I just haven't really I haven't really spent a huge amount of time with the Gemini integration in Chrome, and the few times that I do, it doesn't work holistically in the way that I'm used to from perplexities. Comment. So.

00:39:40:01 - 00:40:09:11
Unknown
So I don't know about that. OpenAI's, CISO actually posted on X how to mitigate some of these risks, for prompt injection attacks into their browser. He says users should run most tasks in logged out mode that, oh, that's very useful. Vantage. Yeah, yeah, it takes away some of the advantage. So anyways, I think it's just an ongoing struggle that these browsers are going to have to have to figure out.

00:40:09:11 - 00:40:31:01
Unknown
And I think they will figure it out to some degree at some point. But it's early days. Amazon has the smart glasses effort going on. Apparently we we've been hearing some kind of reporting around this behind the scenes. And now Amazon has shown off their smart glasses. Not for everyone, though, and definitely not the most attractive smart glasses you've ever seen.

00:40:31:01 - 00:41:03:26
Unknown
Those things are pretty fugly. Really. They're not good looking, but they're intended for their delivery drivers, so it's really intended for the workforce. Drivers can do all sorts of things without needing their phone. Is kind of the idea of what Amazon's working for here. So scanning packages, getting walking directions delivered into a screen that appears in front of them in the display, it's like a kind of like a monochrome green monochrome looking screen while they're working, capturing proof of delivery.

00:41:03:28 - 00:41:34:04
Unknown
Doing all this without a phone, essentially. So, when they pull up, when a driver pulls up to a delivery point, the glasses apparently kick into gear. They automatically start assisting the driver. When they arrive at the destination. They can kind of show them where to walk around to drop off the delivery. They can also detect when something was dropped off at the wrong place and, show hazards like pet detection, which delivery drivers, you know, are probably pretty happy to have.

00:41:34:04 - 00:41:56:22
Unknown
So yeah, smart glasses, but not smart glasses for everyone. Interesting way to test it out. Sure. Oh well that's true. Could they be testing this out for a kind of a wider a wider release? They've got a great kind of control base to, to test it out with. Yeah. Thought about that. Yeah. They have, they're not very attractive looking.

00:41:56:24 - 00:42:27:00
Unknown
No trialing in North America right now. And then Amazon also announced another, another Project Bluejay, which is, you know, a robotics project that they have going a system for warehouses. The idea here is that Bluejay can do picking, it can do sorting and it can do consolidation, something that either, you know, different people or different robots all needed to do.

00:42:27:00 - 00:42:54:16
Unknown
They're integrating it into a single robot that does all those things. So this is where you've got to believe there's going to be huge advances here. Oh for sure. Yeah. The money saving for Amazon is huge. And the and the jobs go away. But there are jobs people complain about and yeah yeah yeah it would it would be kind of fascinating to like walk through an Amazon warehouse and see these machines in action.

00:42:54:16 - 00:43:29:01
Unknown
Well you can really yes you can get Amazon tours. I'm, I'm planning to do one in new Jersey. I haven't scheduled that. Oh no kidding. Yeah. Hold on. Let me see. That's so cool. That was worth it. If you go to, about Amazon.com slash workplace slash tours, place slash Amazon tours. One word.com. Yeah. And then you can book a shopper in California.

00:43:29:03 - 00:43:52:07
Unknown
Tracy, San Diego and East Vale. Tracy is pretty far south, right? Yeah. I mean, none of those are super close to me, but still, that's super interesting. And you just so happen to be going on one of these soon. That's. And so you can't you are not even allowed to bring your phone into the building. You have to leave the people.

00:43:52:09 - 00:44:13:18
Unknown
Oh wow. But yeah, it'll be it'll be a hoot to do it. I'm. I'm looking forward to it. Totally. I just be curious to see the, you know, kind of the robots doing their thing and kind of marvel at just where robotics is right now. Yeah. Because Amazon is really. Yeah. They're doing some really remarkable things with robotics I love it.

00:44:13:18 - 00:44:33:19
Unknown
Oh they're here. What is that is that it's it's finite tasks. It's not like it's trying to be, you know, everything in your everything for every total kind of stuff. It's moving boxes. It's pulling items out. It's it's a conquer bull universe. Yeah. Fascinating. Oh well when you do that tour you got I mean obviously you probably were planning on it but yeah you got it.

00:44:33:19 - 00:44:58:09
Unknown
Oh I'll tell you all about it for me I can't, I can't take any any video. No. But you'll probably see some really cool things. I'd love to hear about it. Not permitted. Sandals, clogs, Crocs. Well, darn, high heels or other unstable footwear or nor offensive or revealing clothing. Okay, these long pants are recommended for additional protection.

00:44:58:12 - 00:45:22:20
Unknown
Shirts must have long sleeves. Must have sleeves long or short. Long hair must be pulled at or above shoulder length. Jesus. Safety. Safety, right. Yeah. I mean, this is, you know, you're going into a work environment, a warehouse environment. Yeah, yeah. Liability. I'm guessing.

00:45:22:23 - 00:45:29:06
Unknown
Either that or they really care about, you know, being puritan, puritanical.

00:45:29:09 - 00:45:56:29
Unknown
And how you dress and stuff. So I will go with I will report back. Yeah. Love to hear about that. Super interesting. I saw this piece of news and I knew you'd have something to say about this. Elon Musk launched rocket pedia, much to the chagrin of many people on the internet. An X I driven online encyclopedia, obviously an alternative to Wikipedia, which Musk has made no small hints in.

00:45:56:29 - 00:46:19:05
Unknown
You know, in the last couple of years that he does not care for Wikipedia. He says the goal of Gronk a pedia is truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. How many more times can you say truth, truth? Truth, truth? Yeah. What do you think, Jeff? It's. Well, is it true? The truth hasn't done this before?

00:46:19:05 - 00:46:41:07
Unknown
To the extent that Wikipedia is open, you can. The years ago. I've got a I've got a copy back there somewhere. Germans took Wikipedia and edited it down and printed it in a print encyclopedia, which is allowed under the licensing. Right. It's open. So you could do that. So you could, you could take Wikipedia and then build whatever the heck you want on it.

00:46:41:07 - 00:47:01:13
Unknown
And that's okay legally. So there's nothing there. This is obviously not this is just him trying to be a smart ass. But I mean, he's basically doing exactly what you talked about, right? Because so much of what's there was just pulled from. Course, as far as people who are checking into this have have discovered not accurately, but. Right.

00:47:01:15 - 00:47:23:14
Unknown
Certain things have been changed. You you noted that, Leo the port, you know, to atv a friend, that he is listed as retired or semi-retired. Okay, so it's the semi-retired, which, I mean, Leo was doing about as many shows. Yeah, exactly. Human can do in a day.

00:47:23:16 - 00:47:49:09
Unknown
So, like, the Atlantic went and trying to find out what they had to say about certain controversial topics. So, for example, on the if day, the German far right party, which Musk has lauded, it states the party calls for, quote, repatriation of non integrated migrants and criminal offenders, otherwise known as mass deportation. It defends traditional family structures against state promotion of gender ideology, otherwise known as anti-trans.

00:47:49:11 - 00:48:23:05
Unknown
Yeah, it rejects multiculturalism in favor of preserving German cultural and linguistic predominance. A little dicey given where that's, that's about, and so on. So, yeah, it's it's a musk worldview. I wouldn't recommend it. Interesting. What the question that came up for me is, we know pretty well now at this point because Wikipedia has been around for so dang long how things appear there and what that process is like.

00:48:23:05 - 00:48:43:17
Unknown
And and you know, how it's controlled by the community and, you know, kind of moderated by the community. And we know that if information we have a good sense that if information has ended up there, it has gone through a process that is pretty understood, understood at this point, which is not to say that it's foolproof or perfect, but it's pretty understood.

00:48:43:19 - 00:49:05:00
Unknown
What do we know about how stuff gets on here? I mean, if a large part of this was at least initially populated by Wikipedia, how can anyone become an editor? And if so, does it? Does rocket pedia become or is it populated more by AI? Like? That's what I don't understand. Like what? What is the AI component here is the I just you know what I mean?

00:49:05:00 - 00:49:29:14
Unknown
The the graphic I've ordered is just that it made it. Okay. But it's still seems a lot. Okay. So then how does it get maintained over time then? I think it doesn't. I think it's it's just a typical, what it is. I think it produces it. Yeah. I don't see I'm not going to log into it. Well, I'm not logged in, but I'm here on the Leo Laporte.

00:49:29:16 - 00:49:54:08
Unknown
But I see no way to edit it. It's not it's not a wiki. No. It says see edits though. There is a button that says see edits. All right. All of them on the on Leo's page. All 12. It's fact checked by grok two days ago. Is the AfD. Interesting. So grok is just going through, in fact, checking everything all the time air quotes around that word fact check at around the word fact in this case.

00:49:54:08 - 00:50:19:29
Unknown
Yeah. So yeah, kids don't cite grok or pedia in your term papers. Yeah, I would not recommend that. No, I would not recommend that. If you want to pass. Don't do that. No. Okay. Grok a PDF. All right. We're going to take a quick break before we do. Just a reminder, we do have a YouTube channel if you go to YouTube.

00:50:20:05 - 00:50:42:24
Unknown
Oh hi Bronson. If you go to YouTube.com slash AI Inside Show, we have our regular podcast episodes. We're talking about other ideas for the channel as well. You know, maybe if we have some little one off interviews that wouldn't quite make it onto the podcast, or I'm considering doing some like hands on demo live streams of me just playing around with some AI tools.

00:50:42:24 - 00:51:04:13
Unknown
You know, I want to kind of see what we can do with the channel a little bit more. Make AI inside. Yes, the podcast, but also maybe a little something more. So if you haven't already subscribed, go to YouTube, search for AI Inside Show. You'll find the YouTube channel. Subscribe there and then. Maybe you won't miss. You know the other things that we do that are kind of sit outside of the podcast feed.

00:51:04:15 - 00:51:15:19
Unknown
If you have any ideas of things you'd like to see, contacted AI inside that show, totally open to that as well. Let's take a quick break and come back and punch out a few stories in our speed round before we let you go.

00:51:17:14 - 00:51:31:01
Unknown
All right. The dogs are pacing frantically. They are ready for dad to stop podcasting. Dang it, you're going to have to wait just a few minutes to take them out after we record.

00:51:31:04 - 00:51:49:15
Unknown
Yeah, and we're recording an hour later, so they're confused. Yeah, this show goes an hour to an hour and a half sometimes. And by the time I'm done, they're they're super bored, you know. So I usually take them for a walk after the show, actually. But today I did two podcasts and I did the Daily Tech News show and then almost immediately cut right over to here for this show.

00:51:49:17 - 00:52:12:13
Unknown
And so they are really ready. They're like, all right, I've heard enough of you, dad. Why? Who are you talking to? Dad? You're not talking to me. That's what they're saying. Qualcomm going toe to toe with Nvidia revealing its latest AI accelerator chips. The AI 200 is set to ship next year will be available standalone chips, also server cards and full server stacks.

00:52:12:16 - 00:52:41:11
Unknown
Actually, Saudi Arabia's humane startup is its first customers that are going to be deploying 200MW, next year in 2026. And then they have another AI 250 that's aiming for 2027 that will feature, neural processing unit up to 768 giga, gigabits gigabytes. Right. Let me just say 70, 68 GB, because that's what I wrote down of low power memory, higher than Nvidia and AMD.

00:52:41:18 - 00:53:00:28
Unknown
And then you also threw in here. I didn't get a chance to read it, but it's certainly in the news today. Tell us a little bit about Nvidia's 5 trillion. So you might think the Qualcomm announcing it's going to be a competitor to, Nvidia in the chip business in the, a AI chip business would cause Nvidia's stock to go down.

00:53:00:28 - 00:53:07:00
Unknown
No, no, no, quite the contrary. Nvidia stock took a nice,

00:53:07:02 - 00:53:29:23
Unknown
Pub this morning. And it opened up as the world's first $5 trillion company. It really is at the heart of it all. Yeah. I'm weird. It's weird. The AI that I'm on AI podcast and I'm a geek. I'm so weird that I am aficionados of Jensen Wong's keynotes. And so I watched yeah. He just had one.

00:53:29:23 - 00:53:53:07
Unknown
Right. He just had one drink in Washington, which I watched, which politically was interesting because he took opportunities to thank President Trump for, bringing manufacturing and electricity to the US and making it possible. That being that. Yeah. But it was really interesting to me, because it just still shows how central Nvidia is. And it's not just the chips, it's Cuda.

00:53:53:10 - 00:54:29:18
Unknown
He emphasizes this every time he goes over the, the the, software that's enabled, the platform that's there, that really is important. He did he announced a big deal with, Nokia, to invest in Nokia and to basically he argued that AWS is a cloud built on top of the internet. And he said that they're going to build a cloud on top of mobile and that, Nvidia is a huge provider of now back end, equipment in mobile.

00:54:29:21 - 00:54:56:07
Unknown
And now it will be Nvidia and IDE. And so that it's taking AI to the edge through these networks, you don't have to be in a data center. So that was really interesting to me. And then the other thing that always interests me is just how he speaks architecturally about things. And it struck me, Jason, that that, you know, we explained that you all know ChatGPT and it's important and it's fine, but that's not all of AI.

00:54:56:10 - 00:55:21:24
Unknown
But he does say that all of the AI he's talking about is about tokens that whether you're turning text into tokens or images into tokens or, a protein into tokens or molecules into tokens, whatever it is, it's the tokenization. And it really struck me that that was, important. Is that is that the word was the key atomic unit of all knowledge?

00:55:21:27 - 00:55:43:24
Unknown
Yeah. That's right. And now it's the token. And the token is an abstraction that has no meaning in itself. And it can often be not about the word but about the relationships among words. Yes. And it can be about other kinds of data as well. But that's the lingua of AI. And that really just hit me that that's that's what he's talking about.

00:55:43:24 - 00:56:07:26
Unknown
So I come away from these, these keynotes always with kind of a different, slightly different understanding. And it's like you got an hour and 45 minute lecture from, from him. He also said he's very good at them. He's really, really superb at it, you know. Yeah. Yeah. He also talked about how, whether it was Excel or Word or any of the, the applications we had before.

00:56:07:26 - 00:56:30:01
Unknown
They were tools and they were tools to enable us to work. And usually where we hear is AI is a tool for us to do work. He said, you know, now I does work. And that was interesting, right? It's not just a tool that enables us to do work. We enable it, call it an agent, call it what you will to do work itself.

00:56:30:03 - 00:56:53:01
Unknown
And yes, it's a tool for us. And so what we can do is but it's, that's an added layer here which really struck me. And then he also talked a lot about robotics and about about the physical world. Yeah. And a lot about digital twins. So so yeah he's I don't I'm not sure if it's still the 5 trillion company today that we looked up in the past, like as we speak.

00:56:53:04 - 00:57:21:09
Unknown
Qualcomm what came decked out a little bit Nvidia is up 2.5% today. But down from its its opening I think a bit but yeah it's doing just dandy. Just just fine. Good. Good luck Qualcomm. You got you got a gap to close there but still notable nonetheless though market cap is still over 5.5.0 $1 trillion.

00:57:21:09 - 00:57:50:13
Unknown
That remind the oh 1 trillion Hahahahahahahaha. Yeah. We can just. Yeah. That's right. Yeah. You can just shave that off. They'll be. Yeah. Saw the video service that I keep bringing up because it's obnoxious, but it's also sort of, addictive and fun. Will be coming to Android apparently very soon, they have announced. So if you are an Android user and you haven't been able to check out or, you know, you've got something to look forward to.

00:57:50:13 - 00:58:12:03
Unknown
I've definitely. I spoke with my Android faithful friends last night on the podcast. I asked them because I had to use my daughter's iPad to set up the account, and then now I can use just a desktop browser to use the account to generate videos and stuff. So I've been using it, but I needed an iOS device in order to set up the account, and I asked if any of them had done that yet.

00:58:12:03 - 00:58:33:20
Unknown
And now they were. They were very they're very uncertain. They're like, I don't know that I want to give it access to my identity. And I totally get it. I don't know if it was a good idea, but I will say that it's an interesting experience nonetheless. Upcoming features include character cameos. So what Sora does that's different is the cameo thing.

00:58:33:20 - 00:59:01:01
Unknown
That's where I, as a user, you know, go through the steps to for it to learn my face and my voice. And then I give other users permission to create generations with my likeness, which so far I haven't run into any negative consequences on that. But I could see how I could see how they could happen. Anyways, they're going to be pushing out an update that allows you to do character cameos.

00:59:01:01 - 00:59:20:24
Unknown
So that's animating pets. So if you have a pet that you are, you are yours going to be Sora star as soon. I mean, what? I get the ability to animate Bronson. I'm certainly curious. I'll ask him his permission. You know. Say, Bronson, do you care? It's. It's okay. We'll see what he says. Is there is there is there a treat there for me?

00:59:20:26 - 00:59:44:26
Unknown
Yeah, right. Exactly. Just give me a little a little treat. Little piece of apple or some peanut butter and, golden. You could also animate, inanimate objects and turn them into characters. So and then there will be, like, trending cameos for inspiration and. Yeah. So some updates of the Jetson one keynote, they talked about earlier and it was all very American.

00:59:44:26 - 01:00:05:00
Unknown
It was all aimed at Trump and the great innovators in America. So Ben Franklin and and, Thomas Edison and so on. But what they did was they saw them up. I'm not sure it was saw. I don't know what they used, but they took pictures of them and animated them. Oh, boy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So what's real anymore?

01:00:05:03 - 01:00:36:06
Unknown
Nope. Nope. Is it a good idea or a bad idea? I don't know, I do know that when I've traveled, we were talking about traveling earlier. And when I've traveled, I see in foreign airports, like when I went to Dublin, I saw. And then I also saw this in Barcelona when I went for Mobile World Congress earlier this year, I saw more than I've seen here, the integration of AI generated kind of B-roll for like promotional material or for for ad campaign and conference.

01:00:36:06 - 01:00:57:12
Unknown
And we've had the total tales, you know, you could absolutely notice and tell that it was generated with AI. And so, yeah, it's another one of those things. It's like, how do I feel about that? I don't know, but there it is. Anthropic struck a partnership with Google, giving them access to up to 1 million of Google's tensor processing units.

01:00:57:12 - 01:01:24:13
Unknown
It's TPUs, as they call them. The. The deal will bring more than one gigawatt of capacity to anthropic service in 2026. This is Google's largest TPU deal to date, and anthropic is actually splitting its workloads with this deal across TPUs from Google, Amazon's Trainium chips and Nvidia GPUs. As opposed to some of the other companies that kind of go all in on a single solution.

01:01:24:15 - 01:01:50:05
Unknown
And yeah, Google continues, you know, to have its investment in anthropic, I think, to the tune of $3 billion so far. So, yeah, we're we're recording this a few hours before Google announces its, results for this quarter. Oh, okay. I'm thinking going back to the Navy Jones, video from before, the fact that it's so damned hard to get hold of Nvidia GPUs.

01:01:50:07 - 01:02:09:23
Unknown
And Nate says in his video that Google is in a better position because it does have its tensor chips. And here's a case of the tensor chip being a major play with another AI company. Yeah. And I think the chip business alone for Google could be important going forward. Yeah. It does create a competitive landscape for sure.

01:02:09:23 - 01:02:33:15
Unknown
It's a proven chip and they have the structure to use it. So, we'll see what happens next. But I think we'll see more deals like this. Yeah. Interesting. I think you're right. And then finally, if you are on Android or on a pixel or whatever you're familiar with, Google's feature drops that they sometimes do for their for their brand of smartphones and stuff.

01:02:33:18 - 01:02:53:13
Unknown
Now they're doing Gemini Drops. Gemini is going to get its own drops as well. And basically what these are, they're like prepackaged like we have like 5 or 6 new features or advancements. We decided to bundle them all up and release them all at the same time. So it seems like we're giving you just a huge injection of new to the thing that you're already using.

01:02:53:13 - 01:03:15:20
Unknown
So sometimes they feel a little random, but, you know, new features always kind of nice. Gemini can create entire decks in Google Slides now with canvas. Gemini is also rolling out to more Google TVs. So if you have a Google TV, it's possible the Gemini is going to update on your Google TV, and you'll be able to talk to it as if it's your best friend someday soon.

01:03:15:22 - 01:03:52:07
Unknown
Video it's video generation app getting updated at 3.1. So better textures, easier camera control, better dialog with sound effects, that sort of stuff. And then web users getting improved latex rendering latex with weird capitalizations through there for latex formulas, PDFs. It's a word processing software that came up from Donald North at, Stanford. Before PostScript many, many years ago, because it's useful so that scientists and mathematicians can, display the formulae that word processors could not.

01:03:52:09 - 01:04:20:00
Unknown
So if you're if that became the standard for academic papers. Now, if you're just a, you know, humanities person like me or a journalist like me, you don't need all this stuff because you don't know what a formula is. But, latex is beloved among, academic, paper people. Okay. Thank you for putting context on that, because when I read that, I was like, I feel like I'm missing something.

01:04:20:00 - 01:04:41:08
Unknown
But that and they kind of demonstrated in the video, it's really hard to render, I'm sure, impossible to render with a standard, word processor. Interesting. Okay. Yeah. And then I had so I wanted to show, some of the stuff comes out of notebook. LM pretty much demonstrated their first. I wanted to show my publisher, Bloomsbury.

01:04:41:11 - 01:04:59:03
Unknown
Some of the things that are possible with AI. And so I took my three Bloomsbury books, including Hot Time coming Up. That's the last, like, plug for right now. And, the Gutenberg parentheses, a magazine. And I put them all in a notebook. And then you can now, as we've talked about before, you can share that out.

01:04:59:05 - 01:05:24:14
Unknown
So I had it make a podcast. I had to do a mind map, which is, but then it could also do a presentation. And in this case, the presentation came with the voice and made up. So this was about it. Decided to make it up just about, what was it the the it was, it was, it was the Linotype versus, something else.

01:05:24:14 - 01:05:44:19
Unknown
I can't remember now what it was. I know Mark Twain and his machine. So, it was took those machines and it made up fanciful drawings of each machine. But they had nothing to do with reality, absolutely nothing to do with reality fiction. Yeah. Yeah, it was interesting. It was. It was a visual fiction that made up.

01:05:44:22 - 01:06:07:28
Unknown
And then the voice narration wasn't that bad. It it had no idea how to pronounce Broghantaylor. That threw him immensely. Red alert. Up. Barbara Gensler. What what what did you just call me? Yeah. And it was still interesting to see where this where this stretches. You can. And what you can do with this, you can give it your own, visual materials instead.

01:06:08:00 - 01:06:37:11
Unknown
Yeah. Brazil will figure out how to use that. But, I mean, I want to play with this stuff, but we're no, we're we're going to see it. Yeah. As you said, you saw it in backup materials. Now you're going to see it in every damn corporate presentation is going to be this now. Oh yeah. It's especially when tools like, you know, going back to earlier tools like Adobe Creative Cloud Suite that a lot of these, you know, the people that work at these places are using to create their stuff, you know, and of course, Google and, you know, Google services and everything.

01:06:37:11 - 01:06:58:15
Unknown
The more they integrate these things, the more those tools are going to be used. And. Well, so Jesse Scott, in the chat, scoops us. I didn't know this. There are new notebook LM improvements announced today. Oh, okay. Improved chat. So this is eight times larger context windows, six times longer conversation memory and boosting response quality by 50%.

01:06:58:15 - 01:07:18:09
Unknown
Thank you Jesse I didn't I had that thank you Jesse. Those are those are big big updates for something like notebook LM having a larger context window man. That's the that's one of the better tools to have that kind of a boost in, you know, it really is, throw massive amounts of data into make it usable.

01:07:18:11 - 01:07:39:26
Unknown
Yeah. Thank you. Jesse. Thanks. Awesome. See, we get these from all over. Yeah. There we go. Love fitting that in. And thanks to you, Jeff. I know we had to shift the the start time today, so I hope it doesn't mess you up with intelligent machines like Leo Laporte. I'm semi-retired, so, Well, I appreciate you being here each and every week.

01:07:39:29 - 01:08:08:28
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Hot tape, of course, if you want to see what Jeff's been talking about throughout this episode, see it for yourself. And often, the cover of Hot Type, which is based on reality and not fiction, I'm assuming, Jeff jarvis.com is, in fact, the funny thing was the designer who does great work, he did the parentheses. Ben Denselow, the original cover he showed me had an image of a machine, but it was just wrong in ways that it couldn't work.

01:08:09:01 - 01:08:26:23
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And my first thought was, oh my God, he wouldn't put it through. I, oh, yeah, I will get killed. I'm gonna get killed. And in fact, I found that the image was one that had run in a British Linotype ad, so it was for Monotype, but it still couldn't work. It was. I was wrong. And luckily we found this.

01:08:26:23 - 01:08:54:27
Unknown
This image, which is legit. That's awesome too. Yeah, it's kind of it's kind of one of those images that you kind of get lost in looking at all the detail. And how would that work? That's so impressive. Hot type, Gutenberg, parenthesis magazine, the web. We we've collect the whole set Jeff jarvis.com. Thank you Jeff. Good I inside dot show where you can find all of our episodes all the ways to get them audio video.

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