OpenAI and Anthropic Battle for Health Systems

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Coming up next, Jeff Jarvis and I unpack Google's Gemini personal intelligence rollout and how it changes your entire Google Gemini experience. Plus, a wave of health focused AI launches from OpenAI and anthropic. Actually, Google's in there to

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big Gemini partnership. It's a Gemini heavy day and why Meta's shifting away from the metaverse. That's next on AI inside.

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Hello everybody! Welcome to another episode of the AI Inside Podcast, the show where we take a look at the AI that is layered throughout the world of technology. One of your hosts, Jason Howell, joined, as always by Jeff Jarvis. Almost always, because I guess you weren't here last week because I was in Seattle, you were off showing, seeing the future of the world and all that.

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Yeah, I was off putting on lots of different kinds of glasses on my face. Go look up Jason's videos on the socials because it shows all kinds of products. Lots of you see, with many different glasses. Yeah. Yeah, lots of neat stuff. And, what was your what was your bottom line takeaway from. Yes. Let's see here.

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I mean, related to this show and kind of glasses and everything, I feel like one of my bottom line takeaways right now is that in the consumer technology space and the intersection of AI into that, the smart glasses category is quickly building. It really seemed like everybody, including tons of companies I'd never heard of, all have some form of smart glasses product on offer.

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And I think largely that is because meta love them or hate them, meta has proven that there is at least some sort of mainstream consumer appetite around smart glasses, at least on the audio only side of things, because I think that's largely what, you know, a lot of people have been interacting with are the Ray-Bans that, yes, have a camera, but, you know, you interact with them, audibly, I'm curious, are the better ones too?

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It wants to multiply the output of them. They stopped distribution in Europe because they didn't have enough. Right. There's demand. Absolutely. It seems like there is. Yeah. We definitely have a story a little bit later in the rundown that talks about what the impacts of that are within meta. But yeah I mean wandering the show floor and going you know throughout CES in Vegas, I saw so many smart glasses, you know, almost to the point to where it was like I went in like, I'm really excited to see all the smart glasses.

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By the end, I was like, oh my God, everybody has smart glasses. How do I like what are the differences here? How do they differentiate? Everybody's got to have their thing. If they've got AI integrated. They're not saying integrated with Gemini or integrated with ChatGPT. It's their own named one. You know like integrated with do you have your favorite blah blah blah.

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Do you have a favorite pair of glasses? I mean, the ones that I'm probably use and, and kind of get the most, dependability out of are the metas, the meta oakleys that I have. Yeah. But, you know, when I'm using these things, I'm using them maybe as like a Bluetooth speaker, some sort of like, you know, Bluetooth interaction with my smartphone.

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But really, I'm using these for mostly for media and for, like, recording media and stuff. Occasionally I might use them to like, hey, what am I looking at right now? Or what can you tell me that I don't already know about this? I went to the Grand Canyon, by the way, while I was at CES and, you know, tested out some of the smart glasses as far as like what they could tell me about things and, you know, so they can do little neat things like that.

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I wonder how the general consumer that is buying these products that meta is responding to, are they buying it for the AI or are they buying it because of the integrated camera POV? You really should know. Yeah, yeah yeah. So what struck me from afar with is, was that it wasn't so much the Consumer Electronics Show. It was a lot of AI at the enterprise level.

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Nvidia wasn't sure that anything for consumers. Right? Yeah. They were showing things that were critically important. And it was another, Jensen one keynote that I, I love watching. It's good as a connoisseur of them. And, Samsung had lots of, consumer products, so there was tons of consumer. Yes, but there was a lot more enterprise than I remember.

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CDs ever been. Yeah. I mean, all all across the board, you go to CDs, I mean it's so wide reaching and I think you can pretty much find anything that you're looking for, depending on which hall you're in and all that. You know I also checked out some the voce or voce voc CCI smart ring, which is a ring that you're meant to wear on your pointer finger with a little button.

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It's a lot like the, the pebble index that we talked about, but a little bit more done. From the perspective of, you know, this isn't a disposable device the way Pebble was or is being marketed as, and it's rechargeable, and you can get something like eight hours of continuous recording onto the device through the ring. Better designed it look like to.

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Yeah. Just kind of has a higher level kind of, you know, touch as far as the design is concerned. So, anyways, I should be getting that for review at some point. Definitely be talking about that on the show if and when that happens. But yeah, very interesting. There was a lot of consumer, don't get me wrong.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I and I hear what you're saying is a lot around. Yeah. The enterprise use cases and all that kind of stuff to. So anyways good to be back. Knock on wood. I didn't get con flu so that's. Yeah I'm really glad just we can hear you talk. Yes. I, I didn't you have that weird like oh dang I got back from Vegas and now I'm sick as a dog.

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So, but again, knock on wood, I hear the flu's going around. I want to avoid that. Yeah. I would say a little bit of breaking news. Just a sort of remote, probably like an hour before show time. Google unveiled personal intelligence for Gemini. And this is something that we've definitely talked about on this show a number of times, actually, if you watched or listened to our latest interview with Nick Fox from the AI, you know, leading the AI efforts, with search and all these products from a couple of weeks ago, I guess, you know, that we asked him about personal intelligence.

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It was a feature that they had touted at Google I o and then was kind of delayed and not released and everything. Well, now here we are. Personal intelligence is here. And yeah, it's pretty neat. I've had early access to it, so I've been playing around with it for a while. And I think it's, you know, for people who are okay with sure, Google use and have more of my data and integrated across these, these services, I think it can be pretty powerful.

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And it's the one place that I would trust that way. If you're in the Apple ecosystem, I can imagine that you trust in Apple too, though that'll that'll be in Google as well as we'll discuss. But I work by my mail on my calendar and my maps and my everything are already in Google. So it's the one place that I would trust because I already trust them.

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I got no choice. It's already there. Yeah, totally. Yeah, there's nothing new. And so I'm really eager to get it. Of course I don't have it yet, so I'm very jealous that you do. What do you think? Yeah. No, I, I actually did, turnaround a video because I had early access to it. I was like, well, you know, I've been playing around with it for a while, so I put out a video this morning on my personal YouTube channel.

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So go to YouTube, search for Jason Howell. You'll find it. I think it's it's super powerful. I think it'll probably become more powerful as they bring in more integrations. Right now it seems to connect with obviously workspace, Gmail, photos, YouTube, YouTube music. And sometimes when you're playing around with it, it's like, well, how much is up?

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This is coming from the integrations directly from these other places versus, you know, how when you work with ChatGPT or Gemini for a long period of time, it starts to kind of learn things about you anyways. It's like, oh, you're a podcaster. You you have a lot of queries about podcasting. So I can assume that you're a podcast or whatever.

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So sometimes some of the results that I got, I had to really be certain, like, am I getting this because Gemini just knows this about me? Or am I getting this because it's truly reaching out and integrating? With Gmail, for example, or whatever. And so I kind of got, you know, got into the habit of specifically asking for certain connections.

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You know, scan my Gmail and search for this itinerary, blah, blah, blah, blah, and that sort of thing. And actually, in the interface, when it is pulling from these places, it gives you a little clue. It has a little icon. It's like checking your YouTube has a little YouTube swirly thing, or checking your Gmail or accessing, workspace.

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That's awesome. And some of this functionality is already there is I complain at every opportunity. I don't yet have Gemini in my Chrome on my Chromebook. Some workspace. Yeah. But it is on my Gmail. And when I do think to use it, you know, put this in my calendar and it figures out what this means, even if there was discussion and different times and stuff, it does a very good job.

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So that that AI is already there. The funny thing is there's also, I don't know what they call it, studio. If you played with this at all studio and my flows and so I can I told it to, alert me to anything urgent. It's idiotic. I get a political email. It's urgent that you give us money right now before the deadline.

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And it says if you have urgent email, you've got to get money right now. Just shut up. Shut up. So it doesn't have any sense of what it is. So it's going to be interesting to see whether this brings more smarts. Does that factor and understands things like urgency in her line. Right. Yeah. And a reliable like what it actually is.

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Urgency is urgency when somebody puts in all caps in an email act now right. Or is urgency like, hey, I'm, I'm, I'm stuck somewhere and I need your help this moment, you know, or whatever the case may be. Yeah, that's an interesting, interesting question. There. Yeah, I think it's I think it's powerful and I think it's the potential is very powerful.

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You know, one of the things that kind of stood out for me was the YouTube kind of integration, because I do a lot of creative things. There's some really interesting kind of ways now that Gemini integrates into YouTube. And I found that useful from a research perspective. So there's a lot of services out there that, you know, like vid IQ and these other services that are all about like giving creators tools to like, research what other creators are doing so that they know, you know, like best practices or what's working for titles or whatever the case may be.

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And I kind of found that with these new tools, these new integrations with personal intelligence, it kind of brings some of that capability into Gemini. And once I discovered that, I started playing with that on a deeper level. And I was pretty impressed by that. Yeah. But I think it's so. So is that really the essence of this?

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It's it's they've brought AI into their applications. This is bringing the applications into Gemini. Yeah, that that's a great way to describe it. I think it's got the reverse flow. Yeah. Gemini now knows more about you. Yeah exactly. Permissioned it right. And that's important right. That's one thing that they have really kind of made sure to spell out is that you are giving Gemini explicit permission to do this.

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So there's a whole settings area that, you know, you have to go in and you basically have to opt in, to it in order to make it happen. So it's not just happening for everyone. Like this is actually part of the settings area. This is from my video. You know, you activate each individual service to say yes, I want to integrate my search.

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Yes, I want to integrate Google Photos and YouTube music and YouTube and all this stuff. And and like I said, you're going to get better results if you explicitly tell Gemini where to find some of this stuff. And, yeah, then it knows. Oh, okay. I should be looking at Gmail right now. So there you go. But anyways, go to my channel.

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Obviously I'm there on my channel, Jason now, and, I have this early access video and, check it out for yourself and see kind of some of the use cases that I kind of went through, to test it out. And. Yeah, curious to know what people think. I'm going to be so jealous that you got early access that I.

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One of these days, one of these Jeff's one of these days. Okay. One big theme that seemed to arise. And boy, are there are a lot of stories in this theme is health care, health integration. Suddenly a big thing that's happening with, with, with these AI models right now, making these, making these deals, but also, you know, kind of acknowledging the HIPAA and privacy kind of implications of all this stuff.

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I guess we start with OpenAI, which was kind of the first that I noticed rolling this out last week, OpenAI launched ChatGPT health, which is a, you know, a space for medical records, data from apps like Apple Health, My Fitness Pal, you know, the app integrations, to feed in information about about your health from your wearables, that sort of stuff.

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ChatGPT can attempt, to explain lab results, maybe prep users for their doctor visits, nudge, you know, any habits that users have along. There's even a, you know, a little call out area in the chat. GPT interface or will be if you haven't seen it yet, that says health. So it's specifically tailored and designed, to be there for health use cases, though OpenAI says it's not a diagnostic tool, even though people are going to use it like one.

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I have to imagine. Anyways, and on the one hand, you know, the idea of health care is, is, people are using Doctor Google. I just finished watching the first season of Python last night. Oh, there's a big scene. And there was something where Noah Wiley is screaming about somebody using Doctor Google. What a great show, though.

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Just a little tangent. It is a fantastic show. And so, yes, this has value but obviously can be misused. And I put, somebody in my family had some issues and I had all their lab results. I put all their lab results in, and then I put in other facts. Not not an oh, but I put it in ChatGPT and so on.

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But there's a lot that comes upon the user. Then I told it that this this family member was on these medications. Well, then it said, oh, this indicates this. Oh, and then I really I found out that I was wrong. The person had been taken off one of those medications and it was like, oh, okay everyone.

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And so the, the input, the data in matters as much as the data. The other thing that concerns me is what the training is on this. And some you're Aurora, who's been at Konza and sage has been working on this. He's, from glam. I've known Samir for a long time. And he's doing a health intelligence service.

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And. What? He should talk to him. He's. What he tells me is that he's gotten, He, he's got 300TB of exclusive proprietary health data to use this. So he traded only on that. And so the question is, to me, what did OpenAI I train this on? Was it the internet as a whole? Oh, that's a good question.

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Or Will Robinson. Yeah. And then yes, if it was ragged then to the health data. But it's still it's logic is from the internet as a whole. That makes me hinky. If it was true. I mean, for health, have they. Yeah. Have they revealed, I don't know that the degree to which this was trained, that's that's a really good point.

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That's really important when it comes to health data. And yeah, the internet as a whole is as we know, is is probably bad directions, bad trails leading to incorrect, places. And you don't want to train on that or get that equal footing, you know, compared to any sort of other official stuff that just muddies the water. Yeah.

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And I think there were a lot of people that were, oh, and actually related to this, but just real quick, there is also an app, was it called torch, which, I wasn't familiar with, but OpenAI, this is, this is a health record startup that OpenAI is now, acquiring for person acquisition for. Yeah, very, very small team.

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Yeah. To basically, it's a tiny health record startup. Yeah. But how are the million dollars worth of OpenAI equity? Ain't about, payday? Yeah, not bad at all. Not bad at all. And then, of course, everybody was like, yeah, well, what about HIPAA concerns? And then I think it was the next day, OpenAI announced, OpenAI for health care.

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This is a suite of GPT 5.2 tools, for health care systems, HIPAA compliant. It's an AI layer for clinicians, for developers that they can, you know, go ahead and integrate their clinical reasoning, their workflow, templates into here, institutional policy, alignment with that policy, which is, you know, really important kind of kind of what you're talking about.

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And it's basically it's just an API platform, for all of this, they've got some partners like Boston, children's, Cedars-Sinai, a bridge. So, yeah. So that's one of the companies doing health. Yeah. That's just one of the companies I know. Right. And then we've got anthropic. Do you think anthropic saw the news and they were like, well, we better release this or they think it would be all or on the same cadence, you know.

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Yeah. So weird. When this happens. They got it in the mix with the launch of Claud for health care. They're positioning it more as an infrastructure grade agent for health system. So not a simple Q&A bot, let's say the way OpenAI seems to presented in its chat area. I haven't seen how anthropic, presents this, if it is yet in Claud, but it connects to a bunch of key medical data sources.

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They, you know, they listed them. I'm not entirely familiar, but CMS coverage data base, ICD ten, the National provider Identifier registry, the PubMed, or PubMed, all happening through these connectors that feed into here and yeah, anthropic like OpenAI is, is making sure to affirm that this system is not meant for users to substitute their visits with clinicians, but, still go ahead and use it the way you do.

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It seems to be more for clinicians, the consumers, as far as I can tell. And a lot of it seems to be insurance stuff, support claims, appeals, coordinate care and triage per patient messages. Like quick clod, support health care startups and so on and so on. So I think that it's, it's intended as Claude is with code, it's intended more B2B as one.

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It sets up it. Yeah. But they're they're getting serious. They get a lot of they get a lot of, of sources of information in here. So it'll be interesting to watch. This is a lot of competition rushing into this field. And I would have thought this was not the first field to do do travel, do something else, do food.

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Somebody else in safer health is a really risky area with tons of liability. But they're all rushing into it. Yeah, lots of liability, but also a lot of, a lot of problems to solve as far as data portability and understanding and, and all that kind of stuff. I think for so long, the conversation around health data has been, wow, it's behind the times.

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It's it's in the dark ages. You know, and and there's there's always the, the toss up between, you know, having a system that makes accessing all this data easy and open and open ish in the, in the confines of, you know, keeping things private and then total privacy and like, no, I don't want my health data, you know, plucking around in a system like this because what does that lead to from insurance, you know, impacts down the line all this, all these ways that it could have some pretty dramatic impacts on people's lives.

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Let's see here, both OpenAI and anthropic have said that the health data that is sent from users wearables into systems like these, like their smartwatches, will not be used to train their models. So if that gives you any sort of, extra confidence, there you go. And then sure, why not throw Google into the mix? Because although this is a little different.

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Med Jemma 1.5 this is combining, imaging like very highly dimensional imaging, medical text, reasoning, speech recognition that is specifically tuned to the medical domain, and it's open source and so open source. Yeah. Which is a. Yeah. So it's, it's things like, analyzing your, your Cat scan or your X-ray and doing a better job of that.

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And then also the, med ESR, an open source model for medical automated speech recognition. It's a obviously a unique vocabulary. I'd love to put it on an episode of pet to see if it could keep up with all the kind of, busy, but still fact checked medical jargon there. Yeah. Right. Right. Oh, signs of that.

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Listen to this and tell me, like, is this is this accurate? I mean, I yeah, I assume it is the pit. It seems like a very intelligent show as far as how they approach I think so, yeah. So they, they tie it as you said, they tied it together. So you can, give a prompt to med ESR and it will in turn give the prompt to med gema so the prompt will be smarter as a result of it being trained on medical jargon.

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Okay. So it kind of interprets what you're asking for, okay. Or gets it right. You don't have all these weird words they have. Sure. You know, it's not just the the medical words. It's also all the damn brands of pharmaceuticals. Yeah, right. There's no, I can't I haven't tried it, but I'd be curious if I just tried a plain old transcription.

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It must confuse the hell out of them because they're all so weird. Yeah. And I mean, and that's where these systems being specifically tuned and trained in the medical domain, like what I mentioned about this is so important because when we're talking about general purpose cell alarms, I mean, they might get the wide spectrum kind of top line detail of, you know, this illness versus that or whatever.

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But a system that's specifically tuned is going to know on a much deeper level, at least theoretically. The things that like, you know, physicians, doctors, that sort of stuff, the language that they're and the world that they're working in and so I, you know, every time I go to the doctor, before, like I check with the doctor, they've got my meds, right.

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And I'm on a-fib medication. The impossible to pronounce properly unknown, which is my atrial fibrillation, a rhythmic, and then I love it. The brand name of it was reasonable. But I say those things to just a nurse in another area, as they're taking the history. They haven't heard of this, so their ears can't, calculate this.

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And I think that this can be more helpful. So, yeah, a lot of medical stuff today. Lots of lots of it. This is free production ready. Developers can build their own infrastructure, all that kind of stuff. Open source. So very interesting indeed. Okay. And then I think we don't have to spend a huge amount of time on this because we, have seen this kind of bubbling over time.

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But we now have confirmation Apple has been working hard to figure out its Siri kind of challenges when it announced some big AI infused changes to Siri at Wwdc. Not this year, but I think the year before and then promised things coming up. And then it didn't happen. And then Apple's been in all of this behind the scenes.

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I don't know, maybe turmoil is the wrong word, too strong, but they've certainly been working to address this and get a strategy that works. And there have been a lot of partners that have been floated around that. And apparently Gemini, Google, Gemini is the one that Apple has officially chosen to work with. So Gemini is going to be behind the scenes behind Apple intelligence powering the next gen Siri on upcoming devices, which, by the way, the information, says is probably happening at Wwdc, which is their developer conference, this spring.

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And, also the information says that this is going to be a white label situation. So we're not going to have Gemini logo as part of that integration. It's basically Gemini is powering a behind the scenes, but most people, at least according to the information, might not even know that it's Gemini powering it behind the scenes. So what I'm really curious about here is whether personal intelligence will also be white labeled to the Apple ecosystem.

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Oh that's curious. Yeah, totally. You're not going to connect your Gmail. You're going to connect your Apple Mail. To Siri Gemini. Yeah. It'll be interesting to see that. Interesting taking that tool set and applying it to oh that's. Yeah I hadn't considered that. That would be interesting. And Gary Marcus took this as an opportunity to say poor, poor Sam Altman.

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He lost another one. He's not really serious. Google won another one. I don't know whether it's time for tears for Sam Altman, but. But I lost this round for sure. This would have been a this is a big gift for anyone. If Apple is going to concede it's kind of defeat, at least in the near term.

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As far as its own internal AI strategy. You know, Apple has decided it makes more sense to partner than it does to create its own. And, you know, anyone that it would have chosen is is seen as a winner in this deal just from sheer numbers. And of course, it's Google, Google and Apple forging a deeper relationship, too.

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That's just kind of interesting, especially in light of, you know, some of the, anti-competitive stuff that's happening that ties the two companies together. Right? So I wonder if this little butt up against that. Yeah. Yep. Could happen. Apple can fine tune Gemini. So that is another piece of information from the information. So kind of what you're talking about, that kind of leads me to believe that there's a possibility that that might actually happen.

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Take those toolsets and apply it over. Elon Musk, by the way, says this is all very unfair. Union. Union. He does not approve with you. Yeah. Poor you, ULA. All right. Well, want to throw a huge thank you to those of you who support us on Patreon, Patreon.com slash AI inside show. And, I want to call out our newest patron, Marty Coutts, and returning patron, Michael O'Hara.

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And speaking of making it possible for us to do what we do, want to thank the sponsor of this episode, which is your 360 I and I gotta say, Jeff. So I have now for the for the past month, I'd say, I don't know that it normally needs to take this long, but it just it hit at the end of the year.

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Like, it was really cool. I have to say, I learned a ton about how I'm showing up as a collaborator in these relationships. As a contributor and kind of coworker, even though I am an independent creator. And, also definitely recognize a few areas where I could improve. And I have to say, for someone who works alone, a lot of the times I'll put that in air quotes because I'm, I'm obviously I work with people like you, but I'm here alone a lot, and I don't get many opportunities to get that kind of feedback because I don't work for a company that says this needs to happen.

00:29:33:07 - 00:29:55:01
Unknown
And so it was really it was really instructive for me. I was it was incredibly helpful. So thank you for participating in that. Jeff. Did you have any sense of who said what in certain cases I could kind of understand, what what it was referring to. If it was the show based on like how I approach my roles in different true things that I do.

00:29:55:02 - 00:30:09:25
Unknown
Right? And, so some of the things I could, I could kind of decide, but it kept it, it kept it anonymous. I mean, it kept it strictly anonymous is just I could infer it, you know, from but not for everything. There were a lot of things that were like, everybody said this, you know, and so that was nice.

00:30:10:01 - 00:30:29:19
Unknown
I as we discussed last time, I played with the tool to push it. I should have put it in an Easter egg to see whether you could have found one. But I didn't. That's okay, that's okay. I'm happy that it was the way it was. It was like I said, it was authentically very helpful. To get that feedback.

00:30:29:19 - 00:30:50:16
Unknown
And I'm already kind of implementing, implementing some of the suggestions, that we got to, it kind of confirmed for me some of the things that I was concerned with going into it, too. And so this is all about career development. And that actually happens to be the number one reason people quit a job because they're not getting that development.

00:30:50:18 - 00:31:10:01
Unknown
They're not getting that feedback, or at least good enough feedback that they can act on, that they can change how they work and that sort of stuff. That's what your 360 is all about. And with the rapid pace of development in AI, it makes the whole process really seamless. It uses voice AI to conduct real conversations with you, with your colleagues.

00:31:10:03 - 00:31:37:27
Unknown
They're not very long conversations, 15 to 20 minutes to kind of get the information to pull it in. And then, after that, you know, and by the way, you're drilling into not just the things, you know, that that could be improved upon, but also the things that you're doing. Well, you know, everything basically, it synthesizes it all walks you through finding, finding all of those, you know, those things that that matter across multiple people or specifics and everything.

00:31:37:29 - 00:32:01:17
Unknown
And it walks you through the step by step, on what you do on the other side of that through a coaching conversation. That's what I had this last weekend, and it was just really helpful. If you're a manager, it actually surfaces patterns across your team that you might not see in a standard survey as well. And, you know, project manager Dropbox called it the most helpful, actionable career advice they've ever gotten.

00:32:01:19 - 00:32:23:16
Unknown
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00:32:23:16 - 00:32:36:19
Unknown
And yeah, we thank your 360 for their support of the AI inside podcast. Fun times. All right. We're going to take a quick break on the other side of the break. We've got more news to get to that's coming up in the second.

00:32:36:22 - 00:32:58:23
Unknown
All right so another theme shopping. Shopping. And I think here, you know, this is this is largely about Google, but it's also, you know and some Google news related to shopping. But it's also about kind of paving the way and creating the relationships that are going to etch into stone, at least for the next handful of years.

00:32:58:25 - 00:33:19:19
Unknown
One way in which people are probably going to do a lot more shopping, which is through using these AI tools, and Google is pushing into that a genetic shopping experience, with its own Gemini, created tools that are meant for retailers so that they can actually embed the AI agents directly into their own apps and their own sites.

00:33:19:19 - 00:33:40:25
Unknown
So think Kroger's, Lowe's, Papa John's just a couple of the the partnerships that we're talking about here. And those bots are kind of integrated in and, you know, pointing you in the right direction or personalizing your shopping carts, that sort of stuff. Yeah, it it shows. Well, yeah, we'll plug in a few minutes. We had a conversation with Tulsi.

00:33:40:25 - 00:34:17:12
Unknown
Tulsi, at DeepMind. And one of the questions I asked her, you'll watch that enough for me. So this when Jason. Saturday. This Saturday. Yeah. So I asked her about whether this is going to start really changing the user interface of the entire online experience. And I think that that, you know, there was a story in, payments.com which covers know retail stuff, asking whether this is going to be the end of click and buy retail, which sounds kind of simplistic, but on the other hand, you can see I, I asked, my agent to get me something and I authorized to do it, and it did.

00:34:17:14 - 00:34:51:25
Unknown
And I didn't go and find something and click and buy. I could see this stuff changing interface fundamentally. Same with Gemini and email. Same with, how we how we work the tools like, sheets and slides. I think we're in for a new generation of user interface. Know, I was thinking about this the other day when I started online sites way back my son in 1995, you know, we debated over and over and over and over again navigation.

00:34:51:27 - 00:35:07:16
Unknown
And what was the most sensible way to navigate people through sites. And we had different philosophies. We did it differently. And at some point that just settled out. I'd never hear somebody complain about, I don't know how to get, you know, from here to there or The New York Times of The Washington Post or Guardian or whatever. They figured it out.

00:35:07:16 - 00:35:31:02
Unknown
Everybody's figured it out at this point. But see, people have also educated themselves through these experience on how to navigate those. Yeah, both ways. Exactly. But I think we're in for a next generation of UI that's going to confuse people again and give them new opportunities. They didn't they didn't think of. So shopping is clearly an area, where that's going to happen because the money is there.

00:35:31:04 - 00:36:01:29
Unknown
The behaviors matter. There's a lot of turf going on. On the one hand, Amazon, I don't think I put this in the rundown. Amazon announced that, well, the one hand, Amazon is suing places and stopping them and just preventing them from scraping Amazon. So that others agents can't come in and find out what's for sale on Amazon and how much it is that, again, Amazon is going out on its own with no sense of irony and scraping others and making it look like it's an Amazon purchase.

00:36:01:29 - 00:36:27:27
Unknown
What? It's just yes, agent doing this. Yeah. So we're going to see wars around this and how that goes. And meanwhile Google did a partnership with Walmart, which we just mentioned a minute ago and with Wayfair. So they're already making inroads, with these various retailers, to bring in an agent buying a genetic, buying a genetic buying.

00:36:27:27 - 00:36:57:24
Unknown
Yeah. They're using something called Universal Commerce Protocol, which is basically an open standard for these interactions, secure interactions between the retailers platforms themselves and the AI agents. And, yeah, I think, you know, for for me, it always goes back to the trust element when we're talking about agents and shopping and, you know, we do. You know, you mentioned our interview with Tulsi, Doshi again this upcoming Saturday.

00:36:57:24 - 00:37:18:10
Unknown
Excellent interview. Looking forward to releasing that. But one thing that comes up in that conversation is kind of the analogy or the line drawn between early internet to early kind of AI, even though AI is an early now, just like this phase of AI that we're in a lot of these norms, you know, the graphical approach of AI, you know, what used to be text based.

00:37:18:10 - 00:37:37:06
Unknown
Now it's moving into this graphical approach, similar to the early internet. And then I think I think there's a line to be drawn between early internet and the commerce, the hesitations that people had, by and large, about buying on the internet versus where we're at now with AI, where suddenly these agents are going to be shopping for me.

00:37:37:06 - 00:37:53:03
Unknown
I don't know how I feel about that. You know, there's a hesitation around that, and it takes a while to work through that trust element. Certain early adopters are going to be okay with it right out of the gate. Other people are going to be like, whew, you know, I'm not ready for that. And it's going to take them years potentially to to be ready for that.

00:37:53:03 - 00:38:10:24
Unknown
So yep. Be curious to see if it follows kind of a similar arc as far as that's concerned. I don't see that. You know, I don't see there's any way that it doesn't cause a lot of people to convince that this thing will purchase that thing for you. Don't worry about it. It's going to be fine. Right? That's a lot for me.

00:38:10:25 - 00:38:33:05
Unknown
You know, it's going to take a while. Yeah, it is going to take a while. But it's also kind of inevitably the direction of all this stuff to. So it is I guess we got to go through the growing pains to get there. We have been hearing that Metta was on the cusp of laying off some of its metaverse team.

00:38:33:05 - 00:38:59:21
Unknown
This has been a rumor that's been bubbling around for a little while, and it is now confirmed to be the case. Meta has confirmed it is cutting more than 1000 Reality Labs jobs. Reality labs, of course, the department inside of meta that's been dealing a lot with kind of like their VR efforts there. There are the meta, quest efforts, and they're pulling back a bit from the metaverse bets.

00:38:59:23 - 00:39:24:06
Unknown
Although, you know, we talked about this on the Daily Tech news show, me and Tom Mary yesterday and Tom, you know, made the comment that this might be a pullback, but it's not it's not inherently an admission that the metaverse is a dead end for the company. This might just be that there is energy over here where they're directing it, which is basically they're reassigning money and teams toward AI wearables, toward the smart glasses.

00:39:24:06 - 00:39:50:01
Unknown
They've seen some real recent success for those things. You know, this might just be the admission that right now, this is where the energy needs to be in order to lead to that long term, long standing metaverse vision. So they closed three VR studios. They're laying off a thousand employees, or up to 1500 employees. That's the Wall Street Journal is more recent, and, they're shifting resources.

00:39:50:04 - 00:40:02:29
Unknown
Yeah, I wonder so so we had this discussion a few weeks ago. Would you consider AR metaverse or. No, that's what's the what's the what's the overall term you use.

00:40:03:01 - 00:40:21:26
Unknown
I think when I think of yeah I know there's so many different terms like when I think of when I think of kind of like what my view of a metaverse is, I think of fully immersive, you know what I mean? Like, I think of, like, a metaverse is not an integrated kind of layer between me and reality.

00:40:21:26 - 00:40:42:21
Unknown
It is. I'm in this different place, that other place called the metaverse, where I see all these people in real time in front of me and interact with them. At least that's what I interpret Zuckerberg's earlier vision around the metaverse to be so that people are also in a different place now around these, these technologies. So they're they're shifting to AR.

00:40:42:21 - 00:41:02:20
Unknown
They've been successful, as we said earlier, with the glasses, they're ramping up, production to ramp up sales of those. Yeah. But that's a AR. And I wonder how much, how many of the skills were transferable one to the other. You were. And still it's very different cuz you're not making whole, whole whole environments. You're not making characters, you're not doing all of that.

00:41:02:22 - 00:41:21:14
Unknown
Yeah. Well, and, you know, in one case, I mean, the thing that's really been, excuse me, the one thing that's really been clicking for meta has been the audio kind of focus device. Right? Right. Yes. They do now have their display, version of the glasses. But I think that's far, you know, probably far less adoption. Not not probably.

00:41:21:14 - 00:41:49:27
Unknown
That's far less adoption over the audio version. And so how much overlap is there between metaverse and audio? You know, at the same time? I mean, the way technology, you know, like just last week on this show, I spoke with the Loomis folks and, you know, got to see their, 70 degree field of view, AR glass lens technology, essentially they're waveguides.

00:41:50:00 - 00:42:16:20
Unknown
And that really sets the stage for the normal glasses form factor. But with that incredibly wide kind of perspective that maybe it starts to kind of dip its toes into a metaverse like environment. Like, could the metaverse be this room I'm sitting with, sitting within? But I'm talking to you in this room right there behind this, this desk, you know, is that a version of the metaverse?

00:42:16:20 - 00:42:37:20
Unknown
Even though everything isn't blocked out, it isn't completely fictionalized. The the kind of goal there I think is similar. What Mark Zuckerberg envisions for the metaverse, which is this highly collaborative, presence filled environment. And so to that end, as we talk about it right now, I guess I guess it could be overlapping. Yeah. So we'll have to see.

00:42:37:22 - 00:43:01:22
Unknown
Yeah. I'm I'm curious to see like, I don't necessarily want this to not like like I'm, I'm still very curious to know what meta envisions for a true metaverse. I just haven't felt to this point that the technology and the appetite is there to support it. But I could see a future where it could be. And maybe that's just the point.

00:43:01:22 - 00:43:27:06
Unknown
Mark Zuckerberg continues to make a bet on the long game. And right now he's shifting, the strategy to what is working as a stepping stone to that vision of the long game. And like you said earlier, you mentioned it earlier, but that it's totally related to this, doubling their annual production of Ray-Ban smart glasses to at least 20 million by the end of 20, which is amazing.

00:43:27:08 - 00:43:46:12
Unknown
That's a big. Yeah, that's that's huge for wearable glasses. I mean, you know, there is Google Glass, you know, always got to go back to Google Glass a decade and a half ago. And now we're at the point to where 20 million in a year like, okay, this is a product that is scaling and is proving itself in the marketplace.

00:43:46:12 - 00:44:22:12
Unknown
If that's true, interesting. Microsoft is vowing to, well, okay, Microsoft is rolling out a community first AI infrastructure plan. I think they're vowing to essentially shoulder the costs of what systems like this when they roll into town, you know, data center, they start building these massive AI data centers. There's just a lot of people that push back on this, because a lot of the impact of this has been thrust upon the people who live around these data centers.

00:44:22:12 - 00:44:48:25
Unknown
And this is, this announcement of a community first AI infrastructure plan seems to be Microsoft saying, you know what? We need to continue to build these data centers. We need to continue to do this, in order to do this, you know, in a way that appeases the folks who live around them, we are going to shoulder the cost of all of these things electricity bills, water systems, local budgets that are all impacted by by this.

00:44:48:25 - 00:45:11:19
Unknown
And so, you know, there's a number of different ways that Microsoft, is pledging to pay the full cost of the power and the grid upgrades that are related to it. And data centers are proving to be politically very unpopular. Towns are fighting them. You know, in my town here, offices, ever since the pandemic, offices have been disappearing and warehouses are coming in or even light manufacturing.

00:45:11:19 - 00:45:34:22
Unknown
This is not a town for that. And I haven't seen data centers come in yet, but they're they need enough space. They're going to in my area. They're going to have to, it's going to be like Amazon warehouses and a warehouse. Both buildings are really boring in the landscape of a community. Yeah. These terribly closed off gigantic things with no sense of what's inside.

00:45:34:22 - 00:45:53:10
Unknown
No sense of humor. They're just a blob. Yeah, yeah. Blob. So there's nothing to love there. And if it raises your electricity cost and it makes noise and affects your water, yeah, they're going to have to. Of course you're going to hate that thing. Yes. Yeah. Because it doesn't create that many jobs. And the jobs it creates are highly specialized.

00:45:53:17 - 00:46:22:28
Unknown
After the construction server and so yeah, this is this is this is all PR and Microsoft's part. But it's smart for sure. For sure. Yeah. I wonder you know on this like does it and we did talk about this yesterday on the day of the tech news show. Does it help to kind of smoothen out the rough edges for residents who are seeing, you know, are feeling the threat of these rising costs and expenses and environmental impacts and all this stuff.

00:46:23:01 - 00:46:49:13
Unknown
Does an announcement like this actually address their concerns to a point to where they're like, okay, we're all right with it. And does an announcement like this actually influence other companies like Microsoft doing similar things? Does it sort of do something like this to set a standard? Yeah. And if you're going to be dealing with zoning officials in a given place, they can now point to Microsoft and say, well, at least give me those assurances.

00:46:49:15 - 00:47:11:24
Unknown
Sure. Yeah. So I'll be curious because so often in big tech with moves like this, they kind of all fall in line, in a similar pathway behind it. And so, you know, I think at the end of the day, if companies are developing systems that have this big of an impact on the environment, on the municipalities that surround them, absolutely.

00:47:11:25 - 00:47:37:27
Unknown
I totally can support, you know, that the company should shoulder the cost of those impacts. Yeah. You know, so it's so it's PR for sure. It's also, you know, I think a pretty positive, piece of PR and we'll see how how they execute on that. I guess that is the other big question is do they actually hold themselves to, to account and, and all that.

00:47:38:00 - 00:48:11:11
Unknown
Well, should we do it. Should we jump into Jeff's archive showdown? Jeff. Sorry, I can shoot down Donna now. So which one is called AI? Exposed jobs deteriorated before ChatGPT, and it's interesting that the tragic beauty, of course, came out in late 2022, but they looked at millions of LinkedIn profiles and showed the graduate cohorts from 2021 on, honored onward entered AI exposed jobs at lower rates than earlier cohorts, with gaps opening up in late 2022.

00:48:11:13 - 00:48:35:12
Unknown
So there was an anticipation in the market. The second thing they found is they analyzed millions of university syllabi and found the graduates taking more AI exposed curricula had higher first job pay and shorter job searches after ChatGPT. Oh, so let's just say that the market kind of anticipated we always talk about Genji is this big surprise. Everybody said wow, no, but no.

00:48:35:14 - 00:49:13:20
Unknown
We knew what was happening in the earlier versions of the GPT were out there, open AI included. And so, the market was smarter, the educational market was smarter than we thought. That's one, two. I'm going to jump over one thing. What agents see humans as the outgroup belief dependent bias and limitations. This is just a funny little paper, out of China and Australia that, set up an LM to look at, games with people versus agents, and it found that the, LM favored its own.

00:49:13:22 - 00:49:36:00
Unknown
It disfavored outgroup, that is to say, us humans. So that was just kind of a little frightening for the future. And then the third, I don't think you can get to this one because it was. No, I can see. No. So this is a paper from Minds and Machines, not archive, called Losing Our Voice generative AI and the Degradation of Human Expression.

00:49:36:00 - 00:50:04:08
Unknown
It's open access. But I screwed up the link. By, Scott Robbins and Inger Blundell. All the other the other two papers had sobering authors. I couldn't do a wall, but this was interesting just saying that as sort of AI emulates human expression, it seems to it's going to change human expression. Generative AI comes with, increased efforts at prompting, verification, editing, causing the de skilling of users.

00:50:04:08 - 00:50:44:01
Unknown
Right. Because that's now the AI will do it for you. It comes at a monetary cost and causes various ethical issues like lack of authenticity. And they further show that, fundamental issue is that by design, they're not able to output human expression, but only human like expression. So there's this gap in expression. And then finally, the really kind of freaky thing is this, it could lead to a distrust in human expression, when the authenticity of authorship over time becomes unclear, it'll cause a devaluation of human expression, when human expression can be mimicked with less effort by generative AI.

00:50:44:03 - 00:51:10:22
Unknown
That is to say that it sets the bar too high for expression. I've been arguing that generative AI enables people who feel intimidated by writing or presenting to be able to, now use generative AI to raise their own bar. Now, that's kind of code switching. And it's a snobbery of its own sort. But for my international students to use it for translation and use the smoothing over their language and so on, it's been invaluable.

00:51:10:24 - 00:51:30:04
Unknown
And so they, they code switch up to what the American expectation is using this. But that's something I hadn't thought of before that at some point, generative AI puts the level of expression high enough that you give up trying to express yourself, and you only use AI to do it. And that would be a shame. So that's how I bet there's a lot of that that goes on.

00:51:30:04 - 00:52:05:19
Unknown
I mean, yeah, the more the more people well, I can I can speak for myself in some situations. The more I use these tools, the more likely I am to turn to the tool to do something that I would have possibly just done from a human expression perspective before. Actually, this kind of ties sort of into an item from our speed round, the the Gemini, the Gmail entering the Gemini era, which is, you know, all of these tools coming to Gemini.

00:52:05:19 - 00:52:24:04
Unknown
And one of the things that I've noticed in my inbox is, you know, it's similar to features that we've seen before, in in Gmail with AI integrations. But I'll get an email and then it'll give me below that email a large block, which is like, here's an entire email response. It's not just like 1 or 2 sentences.

00:52:24:10 - 00:52:38:20
Unknown
Here's like an entire email response. And I've been seeing those things and I'm looking over it and I'm like, you know, again, like the more you use these tools, the more open to it you are. And so I look at I'm like, well, I mean, that really does say what I was going to say. Yep. So I accept it.

00:52:38:26 - 00:52:57:11
Unknown
But I don't, you know, I generally I don't just send it the way that is, I then go top to bottom and I personalize it. But so it gets me over the blank page syndrome. But in doing so, you know, is this kind of what you're talking about? It's kind of I guess depending on how you look at it, it's kind of a form of giving up on human expression.

00:52:57:14 - 00:53:22:05
Unknown
Yeah. Because I'm not taking the time to start from the beginning and go, I'm accepting what it gives me instead of offering what I have. This is why I wrote that syllabus I've talked about in the past, but about AI and creativity, because I wanted to explore what it means for an individual students self-expression. I didn't teach the course that it's being taught by another professor, in the spring, and it's been changed quite a bit more.

00:53:22:05 - 00:53:41:21
Unknown
More of like a kind of PR agency definition of creativity. But I still want to explore this idea of individual expression and see what the impact is. And I think it's a fascinating angle, because it's gonna have an effect on us. All right? It's just the internet had an impact on us. We all right? Short Twitter length.

00:53:41:23 - 00:53:59:23
Unknown
We all can write bombastic blog like that's true. We all express ourselves. Podcast like there's a podcast voice people have. Yes. No. Yes. So it has an impact, on how people want to be heard and in what way. So it's I'm glad that academics are looking at this and try to track it because it will have some change.

00:53:59:26 - 00:54:25:13
Unknown
Yeah, I had yeah, indeed. All right. Real quick, just so you know, if you, want to give us a review, a review, you can do that. Go to your pod catcher of choice and give us a review. We really appreciate it. We're always looking for new reviews, fresh reviews for people that are looking for their latest AI podcast to subscribe to find ours and go, oh, there's people recently that thought this was pretty awesome.

00:54:25:13 - 00:54:36:20
Unknown
I'll give it a try. So, you know, just do that. We'd appreciate it. Good to take a quick break. Come back and we've got a little bit of a speed round and then we'll get you out of here. That's coming up in a moment.

00:54:36:23 - 00:55:08:29
Unknown
Okay. Signal and its founder, Moxie Marlinspike. Well, I should just say moxie founded signal. Now, launching another app entirely called confer. And confer is an open source chat bot, with privacy in mind, similar to signal. And so fans of signal would be, you know, probably be interested in checking this out. User data and conversations fully encrypted in a trusted execution environment.

00:55:09:06 - 00:55:43:07
Unknown
The key for that is kept in protected hardware storage. So that basically means it's inaccessible, even if someone has the device itself. So it's a highly protected, end to end encrypted, loom, essentially. And syncing is possible, by the way, between your devices. So it doesn't mean that that can't happen. But, you know, there's a lot of signal, fans out there and, and, and people can to use marlinspike sensitive information, personal and corporate, and probably whistleblower, too.

00:55:43:09 - 00:56:00:08
Unknown
And they're going to care about they want to use the power that I can bring them to analyze things, but they're going to be concerned about that confidentiality. So this is an important step. Yeah, an important step. And coming from someone who has a proven track record and everything, I've seen a lot of really positive reaction, to something like this.

00:56:00:08 - 00:56:31:06
Unknown
And maybe we'll see even more like it. So that's good. I mentioned it briefly, but just to kind of touch on on the whole bit of news. Google going deeper with Gemini integration there. Bring in I overviews love them or hate them into your Gmail inbox so you can do things like ask it questions about your inbox. If you're on AI Pro or Ultra levels, that is, it'll auto summarize long threads, which I feel like we've seen that before, but anyways, help me write suggested replies.

00:56:31:06 - 00:57:01:04
Unknown
Those are two features that now become free tools. So I think maybe before you had to have one of the paid AI, tiers to get access to that in Gmail, now it's just coming for free proofread, which is kind of similar, I think, in ways to what Grammarly does for grammatical checks. That's coming if you're a paid user, and then an AI inbox filter that prioritizes what it thinks are VIP contacts, time sensitive tasks, that sort of stuff.

00:57:01:04 - 00:57:21:21
Unknown
So, you know, on the left hand side, you've got all of your mailbox inboxes and, mixed up in there is an AI inbox called AI inbox, and that's currently in testing. So I don't know that everybody has that yet, but that's, testing global rollout coming in the upcoming months, which I'm sure we'll talk about once that finally hits.

00:57:21:21 - 00:57:45:18
Unknown
But yeah, definitely seeing some changes inside of Gmail. And I think, it's been interesting too, because some of the Gemini changes that have come to Gmail in the past year or whatever didn't like the Gemini integration into Chrome and how it interacts with Jim. With Gmail. I haven't had a huge amount of success with, but I'm starting to kind of see they're they're figuring it out on a deeper level.

00:57:45:18 - 00:58:09:12
Unknown
And, so, yeah, curious to play around with this. What I hope for is a far better search. Yes. Because you've got to use if I'm trying to find that one email, I really want and I can't find it. Napi Jones talked about using, I think, Claude, and piping to Google to Gmail, and then saying I had a, scheduling, link for somebody.

00:58:09:12 - 00:58:32:21
Unknown
I cannot find it. Can you find it? And what often Gmail did find it. So I just went to it and asked, I had to come up with an idea real quick. I asked Gemini in Gmail to find me, information. I just got an email this morning. It was put in spam and I pulled it out of spam, so I asked it to find me information about, local Democrats because it was a local Democratic committee.

00:58:32:26 - 00:58:49:27
Unknown
It gave me the like everything was Democrats. It was just a simple word search. No, I want local. So it gave me summit, new Jersey, which is about 20 miles away. I said, no, I live here. Give it to me here. And I said, oh, I can't find anything. I don't know. This is too difficult for me.

00:58:50:00 - 00:59:11:27
Unknown
I mean, just think of the massive amount of context that is a Gmail inbox. I know my inbox. Like, I really don't throw stuff away. I archive it all. I'm here, because Google has, for a very long time touted the strangeness of its search. Yeah, yeah, it's trained us to hold on to it. And if I really need to find that thing, generally, I can usually find it within search.

00:59:11:27 - 00:59:41:15
Unknown
It's also, eventually I tell you how I screwed up Gmail. So for some weeks ago, I accidentally changed the format of Gmail, and the the priority, it has a structure where it's, the primary, promotion, social updates, forums across the top. And suddenly those would not populate. And, I got a little bit of a panic.

00:59:41:15 - 01:00:01:01
Unknown
And so I and all I could get was a was, was things that I had marked as important, you know, what's a little yellow arrow? Yep. But I had done that manually and otherwise it was everything. So I was I was thrown back 15 years. Oh, gosh. Everything. Inbox. Yeah. Right. And spam was taken out but but otherwise it was everything.

01:00:01:04 - 01:00:20:06
Unknown
And it was a mess and trying to keep it. So for a few weeks there I was killing, killing, killing, killing, killing, unsubscribing, trying to trying to retrain it. Yeah. And retrain. And finally I found the way I had screwed it up. And I can't recreate it now. I just I'm not changing anything. Yeah. Don't touch anything because it shows how much I need this primary inbox and how good it is.

01:00:20:06 - 01:00:45:17
Unknown
Yeah. So that's already a major advance. But yeah, I hope that I can make it even better. Yeah. Me too. I mean, I'm still I'm still, as I've mentioned so many times over the years, still very unhappy that, inbox, their inbox product went away. There was something about how it used its systems to kind of auto, categorize certain things.

01:00:45:17 - 01:01:04:15
Unknown
There was something about how it did it that was incredibly effective for me, that Gmail still still has not matched. Amen. And it was esthetically, better, more functional. I totally agree, totally agree. Bummer that they ever got rid of that. So maybe maybe the Gemini tools, you know, as they develop out can replicate that in some way.

01:01:04:15 - 01:01:35:07
Unknown
I don't know. In my news, we've got Britain opening a formal investigation into Elon Musk's X after its grok chat bot has reportedly been generating and spreading sexually explicit images of women and children over whom government is, is looking to enforce its law against non-consensual sexual images more aggressively. As a result of this, they're going to draft fresh rules to criminalize companies that offer such tools, leases.

01:01:35:07 - 01:02:01:02
Unknown
The news that was being reported, essentially, it's escalating everything. Elon Musk has said as early as today, that he isn't aware of any naked underage images, his words generated by grok. He said literally zero said. So he's not listening to public. He's not paying attention. This is not making regulators happy. I will not touch grok. I won't use it at all.

01:02:01:05 - 01:02:20:15
Unknown
Yeah I do, yeah. I mean, anyway, I don't, I don't the only way that the only reason that I have in the last handful of months was and I think I talked about it on the show when I was in our car. We have a Tesla. And, they integrated grok into the interface. And, I was like, curious.

01:02:20:15 - 01:02:42:02
Unknown
I was like, what is this? I saw it and we started messing around with it. And that was one day that my daughter and I messed around with that AI, and we haven't touched it since, so yeah, there you go. And then finally, Google has updated its video generation system via 3.1. This happened just yesterday. It can now create vertical video.

01:02:42:09 - 01:03:03:18
Unknown
So, you know, if you want to create YouTube shorts or whatever, you can do that quality up to 1080p to 4K, I think. Even so, they're definitely increasing the quality of the generations. They say Google says stronger character and background consistency shipping across all their products, including Gemini, which if I go into Gemini, I put in a prompt.

01:03:03:18 - 01:03:21:28
Unknown
Jason and Jeff are doing a podcast in front of a live audience at a major AI convention on stage, and I put an image of both of us and it thought about it and said, I can't do that. I said, okay, maybe not a major AI convention. How about just an AI convention? Said, I can't do that. Oh jeez.

01:03:21:28 - 01:03:43:20
Unknown
I said, how about these guys are doing the podcast in front of a live audience at a big convention on stage, and it it gave me something you won't have audio, but you don't need audio to know that it's not get it right. We are definitely we are definitely not these people. So it lost track of one of us is black and both of us are young, so it's.

01:03:43:26 - 01:04:01:24
Unknown
Yeah, it's wrong on a couple counts here. Right. So anyways, apparently they I'm guessing what this means is they've got it really, locked down from a from, a guard rails perspective on who you feed into it. Did you tell it to use those pictures? When I played with it, I played I played with it in the family.

01:04:01:24 - 01:04:20:27
Unknown
You could do it three times. Or maybe it's four times and you're out for the day. And, so I was putting some stuff in just to play with it, and I thought I would, you know, move around. And, I said, use this picture. Yeah, yeah. I said about it, I mean, while here, I said, what did you say?

01:04:21:00 - 01:04:46:12
Unknown
My final kind of I give up one more thing was make a video with these two guys. And I added them in and said, I can't generate that video. Wow. So I don't work. It apparently does not want to put us into a video. It doesn't like us or want to like, you know, or there's something in the guard rails that are like, no, do you have permission from those guys?

01:04:46:12 - 01:05:09:08
Unknown
Even though those guys are us right now is what it is. Oh, well. Oh, well, that's just what we get for trying to mess with the system. That's what we get for trying to use the systems the way they were intended. Yeah. Don't forget, you can go to Jeff jarvis.com and find all of Jeff's wonderful work, the upcoming hot type.

01:05:09:08 - 01:05:41:06
Unknown
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01:05:41:06 - 01:06:07:09
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01:06:29:22 - 01:06:30:19
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Take care everybody. Bye.