All About AI Automation

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Coming up next, Jeff Jarvis is out, but Alfred Nutley joins me to help unpack clockworks new a genetic tool. OpenAI's ad supported ChatGPT YouTube's war on low quality AI slop in quotes. And then we dive into Alfred's playbook for real world AI automation. All that. On this episode of the AI and side podcast.

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Hello everybody, and welcome to another episode of the AI Inside Podcast, the show where we take a look at the AI that is layered throughout the world of technology. And I'm really looking forward to today's episode. First off. First of all, first and foremost, Jeff Jarvis is not here today. He has the day off, so hopefully we'll see him, return to the show next week and I'll look forward to that.

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Sometimes, though, it's kind of an opportunity to kind of reach out to people who, you know, I've, I've who have crossed my path and I've crossed their path and it's like, well, why don't we just do a show together? And that's definitely, the case with today's guest slash co-host. I want to introduce everybody to Alfred New.

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He is an AI and automation developer and architect at Daily AI, also YouTube content creator on all things AI automation. It's good to have you here, Alfred. Thank you for being on AI and side with me today. Thanks, Jason. Jason, thanks for inviting me. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. No, I'm a huge fan of of what you've been doing.

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I know you reached out to me a handful of months ago. I think possibly related to this podcast and we've. Yeah, yeah. You and Jeff were talking about and then and there we go. I just reached out to you to see, you know, to help out there because it was an interesting topic. So. Yeah. And we ended up, Alfred and I ended up on, kind of a video call after that where Alfred, you did your thing showing me everything about Nate.

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And and I quickly realized, like, okay, wow. This is this is a lot like, I don't know what it is about my brain, but, like, I can understand why it makes sense and why it should be easy. But then when I start drilling into the details, my goodness, it feels overwhelming and complicated. Yeah, I know, I think that made me aware too of that angle.

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Like it is too complicated. So I mean, it just it, I think it's the nature of what it is. Right. Yeah. We're going to talk a lot about kind of your kind of what you do around AI automation and creating automations for people. We're going to do that a little bit later, because I'm super curious to kind of drill into that and see, you know, what is life like when that's what you do, you know, and, and, what what are people looking for in that regard?

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But, before we get there, we got some news items. So we thought we'd bat a bat around a few of the, the top news. And then at the end of the show, we'll have our standard speed round of, of a few, stories to kind of take us home. But why don't we jump in and again, Alfred, thank you for, helping me break down some of this stuff you actually recommended, via email.

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I'm happy you did, because I meant to put it in the rundown, but I had forgotten to, when I sent you the first draft, Claude Co-work, which, you know, really fits in largely to kind of your day to day. I imagine it's a new a genic feature in the Claude. Is it just isolated to the Mac OS app of Claude?

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For now, I can't write. I can't remember if they did. I think it is just Mac right now, but it could be wrong in that one. It's a good question. Yeah, but, it's it lets Claude read, edit, create files in folders that you basically have access to some aspect that I imagine you give it explicit access to of your computer, having that direct hook to, you know, say your desktop or, you know, if you have notes scattered around, you want to structure those into docs or spreadsheets or, you know, multi-step tasks, that sort of stuff.

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But yeah, why don't you why don't you kind of put it in, in your own words? Because you I don't know how you worked with this. Yeah, for sure, for sure. So like, every day, like when thinking about this stuff, it's like these are those tools. And I think Claude is hitting in or anthropic. How do we make it practical for the average, you know, just someone getting a job done, someone on their computer, someone working at a they're not a developer builder.

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And like, here you go. You got something here that it seems like they get it. Like they actually have real people in the office who they're working with to, to make this stuff. So we're co-work, you know, I could say, hey, here's my notion. Integrate with notion. You can grab my notes out of there and you can build something from that.

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It could build something some files on my disk drive. So and then it can take over my browser to the point where I might I have another Mac mini over there. And eventually I'm just going to be having that do all the work and have it be running over there long term. So yeah, it was interesting because it took over my browser took over, and I'm like, oh no, can I not move the mouse?

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But it seems like I could. And so it was doing all the things at once when I was working on something else. It's kind of kind of it's kind of crazy. It's kind of neat. So I think they're on a good path here. How much how much setup does it take to get this kind of running? I mean, installing this is it.

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Just install this app. And by the way, it is just a macOS app. I just came across that. But yeah, it's a good question. It is honestly that simple. But it's the concepts that are hard to really get across here. I think like what is this? How does it organize my work? You know, we're used now to projects, but now we have projects with context instructions.

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We have co-work with access to all of these different tools notion, Google Drive, the list goes on, linear or whatever you can imagine. Like at what point? So yeah, the setup is easy, but really understanding its potential is hard. So, wow. So this video that they have, embedded in the blog is like, you know, man, I know this desktop.

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Well, it's like a desktop filled with folders and images and everything is scattered. And I imagine they're saying, all right, Co-work, take a look at everything on this desktop and not just clean it up, but like, organize it, you know, create folders that makes sense for all of these types of files that fall into this category. By your estimation.

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They go over here and these go over there. And that's just kind of like one example of how it could really do something useful on your machine, given you've given it the, permission to do so or like, you know, think about, hey, descript is a video editor, right? Like, what if I say go, take it over and go edit my video, like, at some point?

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Oh my goodness. Yeah. Like, it's like a, it's like this paradigm of like, hey, we have a we have Tesla with their self-driving cars. Right. But it's almost like this moment of like, forget the self-driving car and make a decent robot that can sit in the car and drive it forward. Right. Like it's almost like, a funny parallel there, but it is so far, it's been neat.

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It's it's been really, useful for me. And then my customers or whoever I'm trying to help or support to explain this to you. How do they use it in their day to day business to to maybe automate just one thing, you know. So yeah. Well, so that's that's a really good question. Maybe maybe better left for later.

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But I'll ask it now because it's, you know, it's coming up with this story is like when a new tool like this comes out. Yeah. Like like new tools are coming out all the friggin time. Yeah. How do you even know that? It's like, you know what? This is a solid choice for someone, to integrate this instead of something else.

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I mean, is it just like, because some people have an affinity for anthropic approach, or is it this thing is just simply better at doing this thing versus something else? Yeah. I mean, I think to, to just try it on your own, you know, day to day like I do. I was doing a no code news, podcast and it's like, well, how do you gather all that news?

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How do you get all this information and organize it? And so then man came out and I'm like, oh, let me have managed to do it. And you're using perplexity. So comma could do it right. So here's man is every Friday morning saying, here's everything I found. And I could go from there. Right. So same thing. How can I take this tool to, to do better than man is or do or do something else and so yeah, by using it and testing it or having something I see a client struggle with or just myself because you know how it is running all these different processes and things we do manually.

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You know, can it do it and, and then if it does and you kind of know it's more than hype in this case. Right. So I would say right now it is more than hype for me. Right now as far as the quality of what I'm seeing and do and how much it can get done.

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Man, this is great. But Cloud or Anthropic seems to have a bit more depth to the response and its ability to kind of complete the job. So, yeah. Yeah. I mean, I've spoken on a, on this recently on the show that like for a while up until a few months ago, I would say Claude was one of the few kind of major.

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Let's, let's put him in that category of, like, major, major players that I really had had very little personal, direct interaction with outside of something like perplexity that brings in all sorts of things. And, you know, I could be using it or it could be not. And I don't really have a total amount of clarity in the moment which one I'm actually using.

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So I'm sure I'd used it. But, I have, I have been really leaning into it more the last couple of months just to get a real comfort level with it. And yeah, it's, it's got a, it's got a completeness and a cohesiveness to it that I, that I've really grown to like a lot. I'm using it a lot right now.

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Yeah. Agreed. I mean, I think because the market, the code side of it, a lot of us have not, seen it as that day to day tool, but I think they had that moment here where they're like, you know, codes, code to a degree is the foundation to solving a lot of these business problems, these day to day things we do.

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Yeah. Yeah. We just brought it up a level. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, so this is something that, you know, if you feel comfortable with, you know, assigning these permissions, allowing a system like this to have control, over your desktop, let's say it's something to explore. Anthropic did say that they've built in protections around prompt injection attacks, which, as we've been talking about on the show in recent months, like that's just a thing that continues like, like, I don't know that any of them have a 100% foolproof kind of solution on that.

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Yeah, maybe that's kind of like the the whole question around, Will Lmms ever not hallucinate to some degree? Maybe agent systems will always be at least somewhat susceptible to prompt injection attacks. Yeah. I mean, it's a good point. And is interesting. I mean, it parallels all the stuff with the internet in general, like, you know, fake websites that you fill in your password to, like, no matter what the, what the next invention is, there's always someone who's going to hacker, always someone.

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They're like, how can I manipulate this? Yeah, to benefit me directly. For those of you wondering who gets access to this, it was first released in, research preview for Claude Max subscribers. So those of you paying like, $200 a month would get access. But then it was expanded to include the pro plan, and, and that's the plan that I have, $20 a month.

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Do you have, like, the the, like max subscription on these things? Because you do so much work, I think. Right. Yeah. I do have a lot of different subscriptions. I think I traded off managed for this because I stopped using Manus. And I switched over to this just because it's more and just the company seems to have a bigger or more cohesive game plan the man has had, in my opinion.

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Yeah. So yeah, I switched over to this recently. Gemini, though, is a tough one because I was using that and telling, you know, my wife about it and everybody. But then I'm like, all of a sudden this came out. I'm like, oh, wait. So there are both options in my opinion, that are great. But, yeah, there's something more here.

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And Google is such a big company that sometimes they have so many things going on, it's hard for them to focus. We're anthropic has to succeed here. So it's this thing. Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah. That makes sense. Well, another big player obviously don't even need to preface it with that OpenAI. But we've been hearing about ad supported models coming and it turns out we are there now.

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AD supported model for ChatGPT is free and go tears. Go to your by the way is I think, their lowest cost paid plan $8 a month. Which, by the way, now another piece of news is that, the go tier gets unlimited GPT 5.2 instant access. So. Hey, go, go. Pro business and enterprise plans remain ad free, but if you're on those lower tiers with a free tier, going to start seeing ads, they will be labeled as separate, and separate from the answers.

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So there will be clarity around what you're seeing. And they're testing this on logged in US adult users initially. So ads coming into the chat bots, I think it's, I think it's pretty safe to say even though some some. And we'll talk about it in a second, but some are, you know, in the industry are saying, you know, we're not doing this, but I think it's pretty safe to say that they're all probably considering this to some degree.

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Right. Like this is just a monitory source. That is impossible to ignore. Yeah, yeah. Be interesting. I mean, I think, maybe their audience, the the it'll be interesting because Google did this with search. And who is the audience? Right. Like, if I'm paying 100 a month for cloud, we won't have ads. But if I'm doing it for free just to find the latest news or whatever, as a normal user, I guess you know, they have to make the money there.

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Be interesting to see though. Where does open it? I don't I think a lot of the there's a lot of predictions that OpenAI is going to have a tough year and, we'll see as more and more that with this pointing in that direction, like, okay, is this is this actually going to work out for OpenAI? Open the eyes kind of in a position.

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And this this really ties in with kind of a related piece of news, which is Google DeepMind CEO Demis Hassabis, saying that Gemini, you know, in Davos, by the way, saying that Gemini is going to remain ad free. He also said he also threw a little shade at OpenAI saying maybe they feel they need to make more revenue.

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I think that's shade anyways. And I think that kind of goes to your point, which is Google and OpenAI are in kind of two different categories. When you're talking. They might offer the same thing when, you know, when you consider they both have these limbs that are the foundation of their AI strategy and everything. But Google has this whole, you know, this has built this mansion around all of its products.

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It it can weather a storm that maybe OpenAI can't without introducing something like ads into the experience so that they can kind of, you know, increase the revenue to a point to where they can keep doing what they're doing. Yeah. I mean, it's it's so interesting because I think it was 2 or 3 years ago, I was like, oh, no, Google's in trouble.

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I think we all were, and and I think how quickly things change. Yeah. Who was it? They brought the other guy back on the Google to help maybe steer the ship a bit more. Because corporations, it's hard to sometimes move quick. Right? But whatever they did, they did something that, it's clear context counts in AI.

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OpenAI has no context. I have no sense of who you are or your emails or anything. Here's Google with everything. And so they might. It's what does opening I really have to offer. No, Google is going to be on iOS. Google is going to be on the, Android phones. Most people are on mobile. At what point are people not going to open up OpenAI anymore?

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Right. So, it will be interesting to see what keeps people using ChatGPT other than the fact it's a brand name, you know, like Kleenex or something. Yeah, right. I mean, and that's gotten them pretty far so far. But now. Yeah, yeah. Does that change as we head into, 2026, you mentioned kind of like the personalization aspect.

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And sure, ChatGPT has, you know, context and understanding around how I've used it in the past, but Google, like you said, Google's got man. Like, I'm I make no qualms about the fact that I've been all in on Google for two decades at this point. And then you have last week's news that we talked about on the show, personal intelligence, the kind of integration of all of those components from a Google account.

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If you feel comfortable sharing it, opting into it, into the Gemini experience, to know even more about everything in your life. And sure, that comes with its trade offs, but that really does put Google into a very strong position by comparison. When you're talking about, you know, the open the eyes context on your life actually is. Yeah. I mean, and I think, I think the comment in the chat room two knows me is an interesting one.

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I asked, cribbage question the other day, and in Google's like, yeah, usually when you play with, Andy or me, you have you know, this happened last time. It's like this context is ongoing context and in and also like, you know, when my son uses ChatGPT, is he going to use it anymore? We can just press Siri on his phone and it actually works and answers this question.

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Right? So like, yeah, you know, the user just wants the easiest way to get the the problem solved in opening up an app. Are they going to do it? I mean, I don't know. It'd be interesting to see what happens OpenAI at this point. So but when you put it that way too, I mean, I think we we when Jeff and I talked about this last week, we probably mentioned something along these lines.

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But for Apple to choose Gemini instead of I mean, they walked away from OpenAI. Yeah. From from OpenAI. Man, that would have been such a huge deal for OpenAI. And it's a huge deal for Google, but it's even huge, huger. I know that sort even larger from the perspective of Google, just like further implanting it's kind of dominance in a very major way to have something like all iPhones that, you know, where are running Siri, to have all of those tapping into its AI in the background and not OpenAI's.

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Yeah, very interesting stuff. Yeah, yeah. And like I said, I, I think it's I think it would be silly to, to assume that no other AI company is considering this. Microsoft Copilot has these little ad blocks. Copilot is another one of the majors that I really have not spent a huge amount of time with, I admit. But, similar to search ad units, but they're not integrated into inline chat.

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I just have this feeling we're going to see more of this open AI kind of opening the door for it. Maybe that that ends up being the permission for other companies to start flirting with it too, based on how people respond. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, you alluded to Neil Mohan, who is the YouTube CEO, and his, well, he he published an annual letter this morning to YouTube community, and he has some choice things to share about, AI slop.

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Go ahead and put I slop it, you know, surrounded by by quotes because that those were his words. He likens this moment of AI content to. I thought this was kind of interesting, actually. Previous moments in content online that once I'd say, puzzled the mainstream but is now accepted. I think the, the, you know, one example of those would be just your standard like gaming let's plays, you know, like I'm, I'm gonna fire up a live stream and I'm going to record this video of me playing a game.

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And there was probably a time way back when, almost certainly there was a time way back when where it was like, really? Why don't you just play it instead? In fact, I think I remember us talking about that on podcast. But now it's it's a huge deal. Asmr videos. And I know this firsthand because my daughters have gone through phases where they have some are, but it's ridiculous.

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And yet it's such a success. Right. And so he's kind of likening the moment we're at with AI creation, AI content creation to those where we're still kind of in the early phase of like, I don't know how I feel about it. I automatically don't like it because it's something I'm not used to, or there's something about it that I don't like.

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And, he definitely had a lot to say about it. I can read some of his his words, but did you did you have a chance to kind of check out what how he feels about all this? Well, actually, no, this came in really close to the show time, so you might not have had that chance. I did a tldr on it, but read some of his words because this topic I have a lot of thoughts about.

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Okay, cool. Yeah, read some of his words, so do I. All right. So this is this is largely what, the block that I pulled the rise of, I had this is his words. The rise of AI has raised concerns about low quality content, aka in parentheses. AI slop. As an open platform, we allow for a broad range of free expression while ensuring YouTube remains a place where people feel good spending their time.

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But with this openness comes a responsibility to maintain the high quality viewing experience that people want to reduce the spread of low quality AI content. We're actively building on our established systems that have been very successful in combating spam and clickbait, and reducing the spread of low quality, repetitive content. And, yeah, just basically it sounds like he's pushing to, I'd say, crack down on.

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I mean, he said it a couple of times. They're low quality AI slop, which are probably redundant terms, depending on who you ask. Also deepfakes, you know, he's he's definitely talking about deepfakes through, stronger recommendation systems, transparency, labels, likeness protections, that sort of stuff. So that's, that's kind of where, where his positioning is. Yeah.

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I mean, like, look at we're doing a podcast, right? There was a time when you had to have a radio channel slash whatever license to slash something. Yeah, to even be on the air, or you had to be like a ham radio version, right? Like, so I would love to go back in time and see all the people saying, this is a bad idea.

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You're gonna have a bunch of people blabbering about the silly things we blabber about times of the zillion, right? So yeah, like digital photography, blogging, vlogging. Your vlogger. That's a joke. Like you were ridiculed by the news industry. Like, yeah, it's true. So all these shifts are just what they are. And, TikTok, I mean, if we look up his quote on TikTok, I bet you we would see him not really being impressed by it a first.

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And now they're trying to mimic it. Yeah. Yeah, totally. They all follow the same game plan. Yeah, I'm excited because the more we allow creative people to create, you're going to get more stuff and some of it's going to be bad. Of course, you're going to free up that one person who has a wonderful idea but couldn't express it because they didn't have the the money or the tooling.

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Right. So that's what I'm excited about is like we're going to have thousands and thousands and more stories and animations and movies, but when you find those ones that are good, you're going to be like, wow, this person had a story that they were able to get out that otherwise it would have had gone through some serious bureaucracy to do so, whether it's Hollywood or whatever.

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So no, I think, I think, yeah, there will be some. But that's just, you know, that's just I mean, that's just part of figuring out to how to use these tools and what we're trying to do with it. So yeah. And, I think one thing that stood out for me too is like, there's another piece of of news today, based on what he shared, which is that, that shorts will soon get an AI tool to help creators generate content that uses their own AI likeness.

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So, yeah, this is this is Google slash YouTube saying there is a level at which we are uncomfortable, like we want to control, and we want to kind of ratchet down the quality, the deepfakes, that are used, you know, non-consensual stuff, that's that sort of thing. But there is a level of which we feel comfortable, you know, a feature like this that gives a creator the ability to choose for themselves whether they do this, which is something that's happening on soon.

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Unknown
Sorry. Not soon. No. Sora. Right now. Oh, yeah. Right. Sora has their cameo feature, and people choose to to do that. I haven't checked in on Sora in a while. I kind of lost track with it. But, I mean, YouTube also has, you know, their auto dubbing AI auto dubbing feature, which is. Yeah, it's cool, it's it's cool.

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Unknown
It's also a little weird and unsettling when I listen to it, it's like, okay, I guess it's better than nothing. But anyways, there's also a dream screen, search or feature, I guess that generates video and image backgrounds from text prompts. So they're they've got their feet and on both sides. And I think they're just really saying here, like there is a level at which the quality is such that, you know, people will push back.

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Unknown
I think to your point, there is no real balance here because not everybody loves this stuff and not everybody hates this stuff either. And so if you're in the position of YouTube, how do you find that balance? And I don't think they've found that yet. They're working towards that. Yeah it's a tricky one too, because with all of this we're going to discover new things we never imagined before.

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In, in in that we'll discover some type of way to tell a story differently. There are so many examples of just stuff on YouTube right now. They're like, that's just so funny. And they couldn't have done that years ago with the technology in the budget, you know, that people are doing right now. So, yeah, I mean, I'm glad they're thinking guardrails and things to help it that level, but some of it is going to just be a lot of slop until something comes out of it, you know.

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Right. Yeah. Yep. Slop until it's not drop it like it's hot I don't know. Okay. TechCrunch had a story that caught my attention last week because I hadn't really considered. And I'm super curious to hear what you think about this, because I think this really kind of ties in with what my understanding is of, of a lot of what you do on a regular day to day basis.

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But their story looks at the rise, you know, takes a closer look at the rise of vibe coding. And obviously, you know, we've heard vibe coding the terminology enough to kind of know what it is, you know, talking to these chat bots to create code that that creates an app or a section of code that can be inserted in the code that we use.

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Unknown
Whatever. What caught my attention about this was the fact that this article isn't looking at vibe coding from the perspective that we hear a lot of of developers using these tools for portions of code, or non developers becoming a coder with intentional codes. But this article is really focused on everyday people who choose to vibe code an app that's tailored specifically to their direct need.

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Right now. So instead of going online and finding the app that does the thing that they have a specific need for, these tools are at a place now where any person can go in there and kind of tell it, I have a specific need for this one thing, and I want an app that helps me do that thing easier or better or faster or whatever.

00:27:44:03 - 00:28:03:13
Unknown
And boom, you can you can have that. Does it matter that the code is not 100%, you know, bulletproof? Does it matter that like, it's kind of, it's kind of like a short term thing? It's like I needed this for a week and now I have no need for it anymore. Bye bye. You know, flush it down the toilet.

00:28:03:17 - 00:28:24:23
Unknown
Doesn't matter. This is very context specific, very niche by design, and kind of disappears when it's no longer needed or presents. No, no more need. What do you think about this? I think it's, you know, it's. This is. So I'll share a link in here in the private chat. Because if I put in the real chat, it might, trigger, something I saw.

00:28:24:25 - 00:28:43:13
Unknown
But it has, like a feature in there, so. But look at Google. Google is so good at some things, but they're bad at marketing. Okay. So here's they release this months and months and months ago. Oh have you seen this before. No I haven't seen this. No. There you go. So look at they were talking about micro mini apps whatever a while back.

00:28:43:13 - 00:29:02:03
Unknown
And it just struck me as like yeah, this is awesome because you're not focusing on deploying and hosting and managing and extending to be a SaaS product. Like, hey, I want to be able to upload a photo myself, generate, you know, 20 different images of my haircut. So every time I go to the barber shop, I don't have to say this is what I want or I have.

00:29:02:03 - 00:29:23:24
Unknown
I have some analytics that come from, a website that I track something, I want you to read it for me. And every time I come back to you, you know, I just want it to be done so you can prompt, build and even share the results with someone else. Some YouTuber had a great example where he built a little real estate helping system to help him find out where to buy real estate.

00:29:23:27 - 00:29:46:06
Unknown
So you get that node type interface, but you don't have to touch it. You just prompt in and build it all for you. And then you could look at the front end, you could share it. You could then use it whenever you want or never use it again, like you said. So they really hit it here. It's just, they even, integrated it into Gemini, so you can actually use it in there and then notebook Elon might make some use of it.

00:29:46:06 - 00:30:06:20
Unknown
I can't remember that. So yeah, these mini apps are big deal. To solve these problems, where does it become like, hey, I can just open up any chat, OpenAI or whatever and ask a question and get some stuff done versus this. That's a funny balance there. And then who's going to use it? Who you sharing it with?

00:30:06:23 - 00:30:30:01
Unknown
And stuff like that. But you know, this mini app stuff is a great example. And who will it impact? I don't it would be a good question there. See who it impacts. So what we use what SAS products. So so when I look at this I guess my question becomes okay so then what is the difference between this and something like cursor or you know what I mean.

00:30:30:03 - 00:30:53:28
Unknown
Yeah, it's kind of the apps that are really designed to also or, or the the services that are also designed to let you use your voice to vibe code apps. What is difference between this, which seems from what you're explaining, to be kind of like a lite version intended for more people to use versus the more professional, broader, you know, right.

00:30:54:02 - 00:31:18:00
Unknown
Built out approaches like I think it was seen with you within a day and it's like, hey, look at any day. And you're like, I just can't even know where to begin. Right or wrong, for I, UI is another node based system that you can open up and build. Amazing image processing, right? Comfy UI, but you look at that and you're like, I this is like by the time you get started, you're just like, I don't even want to start now.

00:31:18:00 - 00:31:36:08
Unknown
Imagine giving this to a like someone who needs to get a job done at their job and they're like, oh, I can just prompt and do it, and I have it. I think it's a lot more, inviting than let me download Curser. Let me open up Curser let me point you to a file system. Let me look at this UI that's all about text and figure out where to type.

00:31:36:08 - 00:31:55:21
Unknown
It's quite the different audience and quite the leap and just approachability. So yeah. Okay. This is nice. I mean, it's approachable. I was having it take transcripts from YouTube to help me rewrite some stuff into a more presentable format. So. So to me, copy pasting from here to there, I was able to just say, now do this.

00:31:55:21 - 00:32:31:14
Unknown
And it would do it, you know, and here's an MP3 or whatever file with my audio transcribe it for me. And it would do it so you can put together a lot of things quickly and then have this thing hosted for you, ready to go and ready to use it repeatedly, you know? Yeah. If you've ever used just an to, you know, it's like I've got a it my notes app, I've got all of these like prompts, you know, a prompt library which I, you know, I imagine lots of people do and more and more now I'm realizing, oh, why do I keep going in there and copying the prompt over here in here and

00:32:31:14 - 00:32:50:07
Unknown
then feeding it the extra context that it needs to do the thing repeatedly, every single time? Why not just build out something like this and then I just tell it like this, but for this task, this, but for this show or whatever the case may be. No, totally. Like here, here's my writing style. Here's an image style like, here's how you know that.

00:32:50:07 - 00:33:08:15
Unknown
Like, here's like research, like, hey, I want you to check these 20 channels, these news websites out every Friday for me, gather news format in a certain way. So you're just getting to this point where, yeah, I think, you know, it's getting more usable for the average person. I won't say the average person for the business focused person.

00:33:08:15 - 00:33:32:28
Unknown
That's what I love about a lot of this stuff is we've gone from needing code to, to solve business problems to now those people who are that, that have the business problem can solve their own problems. I think yeah. I think you know, it's what I call the lovable moment. It's like where you can walk up to this tool and build what you want without trying to explain it to somebody else and have them build it.

00:33:33:00 - 00:33:47:29
Unknown
So yeah. And that's what I just, I think great. Yeah. I think it's most, empowering about these tools. And that's a good one there. So yeah, that can be, that could be kind of like a conversion point for someone to go from, I know absolutely nothing about this stuff to, oh, wait a minute, I get it.

00:33:47:29 - 00:34:07:01
Unknown
Yeah. You know, now suddenly your imagination goes in a million different directions. Yeah. How many more tasks? Like deep anatomy. Yeah, totally. So, yeah, I think these my are a big deal for that. For the average, business owner or for someone just trying to get some stuff done. Yeah, yeah. That's great. Love it. Okay. Well, thank you for that.

00:34:07:01 - 00:34:29:27
Unknown
Let's see here under that at that, losing track. Okay, cool. We are going to take a quick break. I do want to thank the patrons of this show, because without our patrons, you know, this show would not be is possible to do on a weekly basis. Jeff, and I really appreciate those of you who support us on Patreon, Patreon.com slash AI inside show.

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00:34:52:29 - 00:34:58:25
Unknown
So we've, like I said a million times, we can't do it without you. So thank you so much for that.

00:34:58:28 - 00:35:14:01
Unknown
I do want to take a break and thank the sponsor of this episode of the AI Inside podcast, and that is your 360 I so I went through this process. I talked about it on the last episode.

00:35:14:01 - 00:35:34:08
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00:35:34:12 - 00:36:07:25
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See the areas that I can improve. I've been working on those since, since the coaching, experience. So it's been super useful. But I think really the biggest application for a tool like this is probably for those of you in larger, you know, corporations, structures, maybe you're a manager inside an organization. And this is a really great way for you to change and impact in a positive way, how the business is run and how your people work for you and through you.

00:36:07:27 - 00:36:27:15
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00:36:27:17 - 00:37:06:16
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00:37:06:16 - 00:37:38:00
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00:38:00:29 - 00:38:24:25
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00:38:24:25 - 00:38:27:24
Unknown
That's coming up in a second.

00:38:27:27 - 00:38:57:24
Unknown
All right, Alfred, let's talk about you. Are you embarrassed yet? Are you are you blushing? So, you know, you and I have had conversations, back and forth, off and on over the last couple of months, and I've just kind of had a growing interest and fascination in what it means to be someone who works with people and these tools to create solutions for them, because, as we talked about earlier, there's so many of them.

00:38:57:26 - 00:39:21:22
Unknown
So I see one big challenge in being in having a working understanding of like what is actually available and then figuring out like, okay, I've got this wonderful poopoo platter of all these different directions I can go. This person tells me they have this particular need, you know, how do you even decide, like what gets applied or what what you lean into or what's the right fit?

00:39:21:22 - 00:39:40:08
Unknown
So I guess, yeah. Tell me a little bit about that decision process because that's that's interesting to me. I wouldn't even know where you'd begin on something like that. Yeah, yeah. No, it's it's, I'm trying to think of all the misses I've had. It's like, baseball batters, you know, your success. Yeah. Batting like 300. I'm like, okay, then I'm doing great.

00:39:40:10 - 00:39:58:15
Unknown
Sure, sure. So it is tricky. Like, we have a lot of these hypes and things that come out and you think it can do more than it can. So I've had a lot of misses in the past. You know, man, I was thinking I could do more than I could, and I kind of went in the wrong direction there for one customer.

00:39:58:18 - 00:40:16:04
Unknown
It just didn't deliver at the level we did. But it was also very surprising. You know, I think a while back to, we were just trying to make I do everything. Give it, you throw something at the API and boom, it should solve all your problems. But then we realized it couldn't even spell strawberry, so it is.

00:40:16:10 - 00:40:38:05
Unknown
It is a funny mix here, right? Like. Yeah, I think instead of AI being the main course, it becomes the salt and pepper. The seasoning to a problem. Right? Yeah. And so here's a great example where it just works. So and it's kind of funny because it's kind of like retro, but like some customers have service providers.

00:40:38:05 - 00:41:09:17
Unknown
They come to your house, they take notes on paper, they write it down and they go back to the office and someone has to take all that data on that paper and turn it into data in the database. So if you can take a photo or scan that and have I take that unstructured or written data and turn it into structured data, you have a very nice win there because, now you just not only save time, but you also didn't maybe make the mistake of buying a bunch of iPads that are never working right on the field that don't have internet, and now everybody wins.

00:41:09:20 - 00:41:39:29
Unknown
That person can enter their data with pen and paper, they bring it to the office, and that person doesn't have to go through and enter everything. They just scan it in and it becomes data into the system. So that's a common example of where you can use the right amount of AI to do something that was beyond OCR, was beyond all the code we might have written with Python or Perl, and create a solution for that person that's a way more affordable to because they didn't have to pay someone, just tons of money to build the system.

00:41:40:01 - 00:42:04:25
Unknown
So looking at basically like what are the tasks customers do or I do that, I could then maybe automate or, or enhance or do that I couldn't do before like generate imagery for thumbnails. So it is a lot of hit and miss and a lot of sometimes over hoping. But it's when you find those solutions that actually solve the problem consistently.

00:42:04:25 - 00:42:25:18
Unknown
That's where it's a good win. So that's a that's one there. Another one is some customers do have to gather data off of websites. And we're getting to the point now where you can tell Magnus or Claude code or Claude coworker say, go get this information for me. Turn it into a CSV file or or or or map it back to the other systems.

00:42:25:18 - 00:42:45:00
Unknown
So you can really start to connect these dots that are just hard to connect, where we're impossible to connect before without coding. So yeah, that's each you know, I think the hardest part of all with people is like getting a sense of what their goals are for their business, and they want AI to solve everything, and you just can't.

00:42:45:03 - 00:43:07:20
Unknown
So how do you get the foundations in there to enable them to start doing it? Either by opening up, a browser and using cloud code or ChatGPT, or installing the desktop, and then slowly take the wings and turn those into background processes that are just running every day, all day, as they need them to. So it's like different levels of solving the problem as well.

00:43:07:22 - 00:43:31:19
Unknown
Yeah. You're you're, you bring up a few things that, that, that trigger trigger me. Right. Not trigger like bad, but, that are really triggering some thoughts for me right now. There's this misconception that AI is the solution to all things. I imagine because we are early enough into this whole kind of like modern moment of AI.

00:43:31:21 - 00:44:03:10
Unknown
It's easy to, to see what it's capable of. And then I'm sure a lot of people just are like, oh my God, I literally is the solution to everything. We need to automate everything. And yeah, you also mentioned something about consistency and those two things together. I mean, I've noticed from my myself in trying to kind of, make my work my time more effective by recognizing these things that I can automate and that I could use AI for.

00:44:03:12 - 00:44:25:09
Unknown
I mean, it takes so long to, for me anyways, maybe I maybe it's just me and it's not everybody else, but it takes so long for me to build a system or a workflow that doesn't just work that one time that I'm able to prove it finally, but consistently put out the same level of, impact or, yeah, it's just that consistency piece is really hard.

00:44:25:09 - 00:44:45:03
Unknown
And I think that lining up with this misconception that I can do everything those together kind of prove that. No, like you said, it's not capable of absolutely everything. So then it's it becomes the pepper that you sprinkle on top of other things. And I don't know, is is it hard to undo that thinking for some of the people that you work with?

00:44:45:03 - 00:45:17:13
Unknown
They come in, they're like, we want to automate everything. It's like, well, let's let's settle down here a little bit. Well, I mean, and that's what they're getting sold. So a lot of these. Yeah. Your customers or existing customers are like, hey, I'm being told they can do all this. And so far this year, though, it seems like maybe the hype is the reality is kicking in and it can't all okay, you know, but the bottom line is, you know, getting to that point where you, you can understand the problem enough to say, okay, yes, we can automate this.

00:45:17:15 - 00:45:37:08
Unknown
You know, but then the question becomes like, how do you do it? So it does consistently work, like you're saying, or just enable them. I mean, I rather, I rather train somebody in a, in an office to do it themselves. Like, that's the moment where, you know, because then all day long, every day they're going to start thinking, oh, I don't need to do this.

00:45:37:08 - 00:46:07:25
Unknown
I can go here. Like I had someone the other day, we were trying to do project management stuff in, in daily or weekly reviews of all the tickets and she was pasting stuff in and I'm like, wait a second, just take a screenshot and hand that over and have it build up a summary for you, or have it turned into a markdown of every line item and and just having people realize, like, there's so many things right now at the, at the upper level of, of of, low hanging fruit that you can be doing now to help just save you time.

00:46:07:27 - 00:46:23:25
Unknown
I kind of wish we all had like health bars on our shirts or something because like, you know, these, these little tasks we do that keep draining us and it's like, oh you can give those to AI to do. Then your health bar stays up. And you can you get these things out of the way depending on your personality too.

00:46:23:26 - 00:46:46:13
Unknown
Like you might not want to do that. I'm horrible at replying to emails in a way that anyone understands but me, right? So if I can write it and then have I clean it up so some other human can understand it, that's a win for everybody and it takes the stress off of me. So finding those like low hanging fruit moments where it's actually enhancing or helping me get something done, that it's just a nice thing, right?

00:46:46:14 - 00:47:07:00
Unknown
So I save some energy there and then helping the customer go to the next level saying like, this is a bigger problem. How do we solve it? You know, that just depends on the customer. One of the classic ones is a lot of companies end up with 20 different spreadsheets to do one job, so it ends up becoming someone's job to know which spreadsheet has the right data.

00:47:07:00 - 00:47:30:00
Unknown
So taking that moment to to take the data in and out of the sheets and put it into a proper database. Not that a spreadsheet is not a proper database in many ways. And then allowing the the if they want this, which a lot of them do I to have access to that data to help them assess their their hey, do we have time on the schedule for this?

00:47:30:07 - 00:47:49:08
Unknown
Oh, this machine went down. Who can help out with this to help them with their job then can become a win. For I know the process of taking the data from those spreadsheets, putting it into a database, me charging them hourly for that. But now I'm using AI to say, hey, what's a good schema for this table? Going to make the table for me?

00:47:49:10 - 00:48:33:27
Unknown
You know, it's it's impacting all levels of the solution as well. Does that make sense overall there. Yeah. No absolutely. That that totally makes sense. Yeah. That's that's fascinating. How all of of all the tools that you're working with to do this and to construct this, for someone like, how much, how much time does it generally take for you to have a sense of what someone really needs and then to have a like, not only a game plan, but to have a finalized executable kind of approach, like, I imagine you're building a lot of this stuff for people, but you're also talking about kind of educating them so that they are

00:48:33:29 - 00:48:53:14
Unknown
more involved in it than just, here's your thing. All right. See you later. Yeah. Like how how much time? Like when you're working with a client, is it, is it even possible to to abstract how much time you generally might spend on some big task like this? No, it's a good question. It's funny to you, I mentioned before, like, communication is the hardest part of our job, right?

00:48:53:14 - 00:49:11:14
Unknown
So. Yeah. Yeah. Taking your idea, understanding it and turning it into something is just an impossible win right in. And so it's like, it'd be no different than you being a person who has this vision of a painting and you're like, I'll go paint it. And you're like, you know, I'm like, okay, I think you mean this, right?

00:49:11:14 - 00:49:34:19
Unknown
Like, that's what I'm really looking forward to. Those people or the tools where that person could go in and just prompt and fight the AI themselves to get it done. Right. So but but working with a customer in getting to a sense of like hey this is what you do every day I see your spreadsheet, I kind of understand your goals in turning it into something.

00:49:34:21 - 00:50:01:22
Unknown
Then that just depends on the tools you're using. So but that process of understanding their, their vision and their goals is the hardest part of the process, honestly. And AI helps with that because the more we can use these tools to kind of make sure we're understanding so on and make sure we're communicating back to them clearly is another big win, with AI in that it can help with this is really just phenomenal.

00:50:01:25 - 00:50:27:22
Unknown
So, you know, the fact that I could dump all of our meetings and all of our conversations into a pile, into a folder and then chat with it is just like, just that's just amazing right there in and of itself. And we couldn't do that being really is. Yeah. Yeah. So, so yeah. It's hard to say how much time, but it is important to get the right solution or actually it's important to understand the problem before we overcomplicate the solution.

00:50:27:24 - 00:50:49:08
Unknown
It's a good point. Yeah. And then as someone who's built things for ever for 20 years now, but like I remember having to convince people you need a website, what, 20 years ago. Right. Like, yeah. Yeah. And they're like, you know, farmers are like, why do I need a website? I'm like, okay, listen, you know, this is why now every business has a website for the most part.

00:50:49:08 - 00:51:11:09
Unknown
So it's funny how these things happen. So, you know, to communicate with them and get a sense of like, what are they really trying to do and then solve it. And then put the AI in as needed is key because I is not going to be, obviously good for all of these problems, but it is, without getting too technical, it is amazing what it can do, though.

00:51:11:12 - 00:51:36:16
Unknown
MC is a very common term we see throwing around now. Claude. Anthropic has this, new thing called skills. All of these things are leading to ways to kind of like bridge the gap between old technologies or existing tech. Like many companies have ERP systems that has a bunch of data into IT or data in IT about their customers and sales and past processes and everything.

00:51:36:19 - 00:51:56:01
Unknown
To make that layer between that and the AI can really help them kind of get a sense of things in chat with you. So, you know, bringing those things together is a is a kind of common request as well. Another one, more classic one is like a lot of these customers, they're they're mom and pop shops.

00:51:56:01 - 00:52:17:03
Unknown
The mom and pop want to retire. How do they hand down all that knowledge to the new owner or their or their who's ever taking it over? And so, you know, these kind of like, ways of taking all of this information and putting it into a way that's more, easy to interact with is, is really a big deal, too, because how do you document all that?

00:52:17:04 - 00:52:39:20
Unknown
I don't think you can you know. Yeah. There's a lot of the mountain. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's fascinating. I think my kind of my one question I want to make sure we get in before we go to our next break is, is there a tool that because it sounds like you probably test a lot of these things just to broaden your toolset, right.

00:52:39:20 - 00:53:01:04
Unknown
So you know, the the right tool to use with the right customer or need or whatever. Is there a tool that that mainstream users are sleeping on that they they don't realize exists? And if they did, man, it would make things a lot more, you know, a lot more possible or easier for them. You know, there's certain tools we hear all the time about and maybe there's some you know, it's a good question.

00:53:01:06 - 00:53:22:07
Unknown
Nice. Know you have no, I it's so I have my own shows and stuff. So I have sponsors. So I don't want to name names because that's kind of like okay. It's it's cheap. Right. But let me just say this. All the automation tools out there that are easy to use is the starting point for anybody. Because automation isn't about AI.

00:53:22:07 - 00:53:43:08
Unknown
It's about getting in there in using these existing things to basically they're Lego bricks and plugging them together in a way to get something done that you need done as easily and efficiently and repetitively as possible. The AI in those moments or the is, it's kind of the glue that helps or the bridge it helps to do something that you couldn't have done before.

00:53:43:15 - 00:54:06:19
Unknown
Hey, get this file from Dropbox. Oh, turn it into, a particular invoice, data that I can then move over to this. What is it, HubSpot or whatever. So then I know when to build a customer or how long or like whatever the particular problem you're trying to solve, getting to know these automation tools so that when you do need AI, you can do it is, is is really empowering.

00:54:06:19 - 00:54:26:24
Unknown
So any tool that's friendly enough to use that, that is that that you can use to that's hosted most likely. So it's off your computer. If you can use those to start automating processes today, like taking your show notes from a spreadsheet. Every time I new do a new entry in a spreadsheet, it triggers that automation to go do something.

00:54:26:24 - 00:54:48:01
Unknown
So, yeah, I would say the the the key is to find automation tools that you can that you're comfortable with and then start automating some fascinating stuff. I'm so happy we talked about this. I have a better understanding of how this all works. I would imagine you're probably a pretty busy guy. But I'll go ahead and say that, daily AI studio.

00:54:48:01 - 00:55:06:10
Unknown
Is that where people is that kind of like you're it's primary place online? Yeah. YouTube is a good one to, but that place, I think there's even links to that there. Yeah, this one is the one I'm putting my most energy into. As you know, it's just a nice medium for, for kind of, sharing and training.

00:55:06:12 - 00:55:31:04
Unknown
But yeah. Yeah. Yep. And that is, so if you go to YouTube and you search for Alfred New Chili, which is and utility. Yeah. Alfred. And you typically find his it's funny when we this I started YouTube 13 years ago right. I'm like hey, I'm going to share a video with my neighbor on how to let the goats out of the barn when we're away, right.

00:55:31:06 - 00:55:58:12
Unknown
And look what it is like to know when they're like, what's YouTube? But at that point you're not thinking, how should I name this? But yeah, yeah. Oh, of course, of course. Right. Well and Google just, you know, pushed out the ability for you to change your email address, you know, your Gmail address. You, you know, meanwhile, like mine is so my personal is so like weird as so many people's are you know that we created at the beginning of Gmail and but yet it's also part of who I am.

00:55:58:12 - 00:56:17:16
Unknown
So I would I wouldn't change it. But anyways. Okay, Alfred, thank you for, diving into that. I'm super, interested in this. And definitely people should go to your channel and check out your walkthroughs on all of this because you create some really great stuff. And not doing too bad. You got 147,000 subscribers on your channel.

00:56:17:22 - 00:56:36:10
Unknown
That's that's pretty solid. You've been you've been chipping away at this for a while, and it shows. So good work. One, I know we have the break. I think we have an article. Maybe we skipped it on energy usage. Oh, yeah. That's coming up after the break actually. All right. We've got that. All right. Let's let's get to that in a moment.

00:56:36:12 - 00:56:54:17
Unknown
It's the perfect kind of a place to pause just real quick if you're enjoying the show, if you do enjoy the show, please leave us a review on Apple Podcasts. Just a quick reminder, how helpful that is for getting new awareness on this show. So we really appreciate that super quick break. Then we'll come back and we'll do a quick speed round before we get you out of here.

00:56:54:17 - 00:57:00:11
Unknown
That starts with the story, that Alfred just mentioned. That's coming up in a second.

00:57:00:13 - 00:57:22:04
Unknown
All right. A few more news stories, and then we'll, then we'll round things out here. And this one I came across, and I just thought it was an interesting premise because it goes counter to what so many people, are criticizing and, you know, and I'm not I'm not casting any sort of judgment on this, whether it's whether it's, deserving of the criticism or not.

00:57:22:04 - 00:57:40:20
Unknown
I'm just saying a lot of times when I comes up in points of conversation, even with my family, my younger daughter even said this. I was I was generating an image on the couch the other day, and she was like, you know, how much, how much water did you use for that image? I'm like, oh my goodness. Even my almost 13 year old daughter is aware of this stuff.

00:57:40:23 - 00:58:17:04
Unknown
But this is a piece on semi analysis newsletters, semi analysis.com that's called from tokens to burgers a water footprint face off. And in it the authors argue that the water concern around AI data centers is actually ignoring some critical components like scale and context. It uses Elon Musk's 400 megawatt colossus to cite as the example of the AI data center, and the article points out that it uses around 346 million gallons of blue water per year.

00:58:17:06 - 00:58:39:06
Unknown
And then it compares that to the fast food chain In-N-Out, counting only they're double double burgers, they're double double hamburgers and says a single restaurant serving just double double hamburgers comes in at around 147 million gallons. So, in essence, what the article argues is that one of the largest AI data centers equals roughly two. And a half burger joints.

00:58:39:08 - 00:58:54:27
Unknown
And I know that I'm simply oversimplifying the article, but you know this. You know, this is a speed round. So if you want to read it, you can. That's a pretty long piece. Interesting premise. What do you think about this, Alfred? You know, it's good. It's it's my son does the same thing whenever I do anything, any AI.

00:58:54:27 - 00:59:17:20
Unknown
But then he's using it. But, yeah, we don't realize we could be running that on our computer, and you could have generated that computer that that. So we can remember local AI. It just doesn't seem to make the headlines here, but it is what's going to I think the big thing of this year and next year. So then this will be it's always going to be an issue based on training and just mass consumption.

00:59:17:20 - 00:59:41:00
Unknown
But yeah, we still have local AI changing the game too. Totally. That's that's a really good point. I imagine, you know, in the work that you do, a lot of that probably is local, right. It's it's yeah. It's getting here. Yeah. Well no, because a lot of customers want like utter privacy and of course, you know, security and then a little bit of predictability because that's your model.

00:59:41:00 - 01:00:10:04
Unknown
You're running it and it doesn't change for X many years. Yeah. It is becoming very doable now and very requested the privacy part where I'm even trying to do some research to prove local AI can solve common business problems as good as foundationally AI. So yeah. Interesting. We've got another story here that's been making the rounds, just recently, I think it was just yesterday that OpenAI officially introduced its age prediction system in ChatGPT worldwide.

01:00:10:04 - 01:00:34:26
Unknown
So this is intended to spot users using the service under the age of 18 when it detects this or thinks that it has detected this, it issues stronger protections on those accounts. So, you know, applying these restrictive measures that would limit exposure to sensitive content, that sort of stuff. Adults might, you know, in essence, there are going to be some false positives.

01:00:34:29 - 01:01:01:26
Unknown
Adults who are misclassified will be able to restore full access. They just submit a selfie through verification provider persona. And, yeah, I, I mean, I guess I'm not surprised. And I see more services probably doing this because this is this is definitely a challenge. This is definitely an issue. Yeah. I hope this isn't one of their big, business ideas because I don't see how this is going to make much money.

01:01:01:29 - 01:01:26:09
Unknown
No, I don't know that this in and of itself makes much money. However, they have alluded to a future rollout sometime later this quarter. I think of an adult mode. Yeah. And you have to imagine that something like this. Yeah, ties into that to some degree. And that, you know, say what you will about it. Probably going to move some, move some.

01:01:26:09 - 01:01:50:22
Unknown
You know, redirect some revenue. Yeah. As far as that's concerned. So yes, yes, that's true is there's maybe some of the tendrils will, work in that direction. This next story I'm definitely, excited about. I'm an Adobe Creative Cloud user, and Adobe's bringing more features to premiere. Also, After Effects, I don't use AfterEffects as much, so I just I'm less excited about that.

01:01:50:22 - 01:02:15:26
Unknown
But in premiere, they're going to, issue a feature which I can't wait to test out, which is basically like an auto masking feature. So masking, tracking, motion design features becoming one click operations instead of the more traditional like keyframing approaches, which is just now just a time consuming pain in the butt, in my opinion. But yeah. Do you do any of this?

01:02:15:26 - 01:02:39:09
Unknown
I mean, I know we've talked in the past. Yeah. If you use descript, I know for for your video stuff. Yeah. Do you feel like Adobe that premiere is getting to the point where you're seeing the. I have an impact on on your ability to get stuff done in there. Are they there? Directly? No. I mean, maybe, you know, very simple things like the auto generation of transcripts.

01:02:39:09 - 01:03:05:21
Unknown
I use that, yeah. Yeah, pretty heavily with my podcast work, because it makes it really easy for me to timecode certain things in my descriptions and stuff, generating image stuff like on the screen. No, but this is actually something that I've wanted to do with some of my longer form videos where, you know, you have the effect of the person talking and the title not just on top of them, but kind of obscured by them a little bit in the background.

01:03:05:21 - 01:03:27:25
Unknown
And that does require and that does require tracking. And so like that's the one thing that I'm like, oh, I'd be interested to play around with it to see if this makes that easier. And if so, I might actually use that in some of my edits. Yeah. So yeah. No, that sounds good. I remember being excited. I figured out how to do that with the green screen layer, and then the real layer and putting a Lego.

01:03:27:26 - 01:03:49:22
Unknown
I did that. Wow. But yeah, I mean these are not necessary. It is, but it's key. Yeah. No, I mean this group does it as well as some of this stuff. And it has some it has some impact. But I think again back to the sloppy and I sloppy moments like sloppy or not like if I could produce something, get it into an editor and it can do it for me.

01:03:49:22 - 01:04:09:02
Unknown
That's awesome. Yeah. Because I struggle sometimes and I have an idea, something I want to teach somebody or put it on YouTube and it's not sloppy. Theoretically, it's my thing. But now getting it edited and feeling like it's quality is hard. So if I had a tool that can help me do those, those, those, you know, transitions and help me do the right cuts, that would be awesome.

01:04:09:04 - 01:04:34:01
Unknown
Yeah. Indeed. Indeed. Also awesome is Lego's new educational kits. This is the Computer Science and AI Learning Solution kit. It's based on its recently announced Smart Play system. So if you saw Lego was at CTS, a few weeks ago and had a whole big kind of keynote about this, this kind of integrated technology system into their Lego bricks.

01:04:34:01 - 01:04:57:15
Unknown
And so this is use tapping into that. It uses locally run tools to teach K through eight students core computer science concepts and machine learning, computer vision, generative models. And none of it is chat bot driven. So it's you know, it's it's kind of a contained approach. They are pretty pricey. The K through two sets start at $339.

01:04:57:17 - 01:05:24:00
Unknown
Kits for older students range between 400 and 20 9 to 529. It's all shipping in April and a couple of months, but, yeah, I think that's that's cool. I love I love Lego for for understanding and and for assembly and creativity and having that integrated into these concepts. I be curious to see how that's done. And yeah, I just think my kids are a little little probably have moved on from Lego at this point.

01:05:24:00 - 01:05:46:17
Unknown
I know probably about it. They've definitely moved on from Lego. Yeah, yeah. But yeah. No, we need to see this looks nice. So be interested to see what it does. Yeah, indeed. And then finally we've got Wikipedia. If I get past this, so, Wikipedia celebrating his 25th birthday by striking a deal with Amazon, meta, Microsoft, Mistral and perplexity.

01:05:46:19 - 01:06:11:17
Unknown
For licensing Wikipedia's data for training models. This is not the like the beginning of this program. Google and a few others have already become part of this program. I think notably absent here is OpenAI, but this is an AI API access. Yeah. For those licenses, that's more capable, far more capable than the free API is. So yeah.

01:06:11:17 - 01:06:37:07
Unknown
And I feel like Wikipedia content makes its way into, yeah, into AI models quite a bit. So at least now there. That's great. That's great. Speaking. Going back like this is I slapped this was the slap of what, ten years ago Wikipedia was like, oh joke. Or how old is Wikipedia, right. Like 25. Yeah. Sorry 25. So when it came out everyone's like, oh, Wikipedia, what a bad idea, right?

01:06:37:08 - 01:06:59:02
Unknown
Like a yeah encyclopedia. I have these official books on DVD or whatever. Right. Like yeah, yeah. You look at Wikipedia like the the oh no, we've lowered the level of information. What have we done? Yeah. Exactly what anyone can go on there and yeah, it's funny how we adapt 25 years later, but yeah, I mean, hey, we've been doing this internet thing for a long time.

01:06:59:02 - 01:07:20:23
Unknown
It turns out it was a it was a pretty big, pretty big invention. I mean, I do feel like there are there are total, similarities between, you know, the internet and the impact that it had, the potential impact that what we could see back then also shopping early online. You know, I know we've talked about that on the show recently how shopping used to be.

01:07:20:26 - 01:07:45:05
Unknown
This idea of shopping online was something that only true early adopters dared enter. And now it's, you know, as as normal and clear as day. And now we're seeing that kind of happen through agents and AI and everything. So it would be almost new again. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's cool. I'm glad they're making money off this. I think, ready to have that challenge of how do we become.

01:07:45:05 - 01:08:02:21
Unknown
So how do we make something out of our data? So, sure. Yeah. Gotta gotta peel the shareholders. Although I guess that isn't the case with Wikipedia, that you gotta stay in business. I gotta stay in business. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Alfred, thank you so much for, for hopping on the show today. This is a ton of fun. Yeah.

01:08:02:21 - 01:08:22:14
Unknown
Thank you. Yeah, I just, hearing Jeff just side of things, but I'm glad I could come here and, and chat about things. Indeed, indeed. Well, I'm sure he'll be back next week, and I'm sure there'll be other opportunities to bring you back for, for a reminder to folks they can search, Alfred utility on, on YouTube.

01:08:22:16 - 01:08:42:12
Unknown
It's, says Alfred at daily I why daily I because daily I dot studio is Alfred's website if you're interested in you know, working with Alfred to kind of build out your systems and stuff. Turns out Alfred is pretty darn smart with this stuff. So, you know, reach out to. But, really appreciate you being here with me today.

01:08:42:12 - 01:09:05:05
Unknown
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01:09:31:13 - 01:09:51:26
Unknown
Thank you so much for your ongoing support and for enabling this show each and every week. Couldn't do it without you. All right everybody, we're going to round it out there. Jeff should be back next week. So we'll cross our fingers and hope he's on the stream. And thank you again, Alfred. And we'll see you next time on another episode of the I inside podcast.

01:09:51:27 - 01:09:59:06
Unknown
Apparently I don't have an outro bumper, so you're just going to have to listen to me say goodbye at the stream. We'll see you guys later.