Meta's Data Center on Your Face

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Coming up next, Jeff Jarvis and I dig into meta launching its own branded $299 smartglasses. That's right. No Ray-Ban, no Oakley on those, but they do have Kylie Jenner. Very interesting. Google losing two top AI researchers in one week. DeepMind investing $75 million into the film studio A24 are just a huge fan of A24. Very curious about that.

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Plus my new favorite vibe coded website, and it plays Major League Baseball games in real time using eight bit Nintendo Pixel art in the browser. I'm not even a huge fan of baseball, and I love this site. You got to check it out. That's coming up next on this episode of the AI Inside podcast.

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To another episode of AI Inside the podcast, where we take a look at the AI that is layered throughout the world of technology. I'm one of your host, Jason Howell. Jeff Jarvis is the other. It is. Good to see you, Jeff. Oh, you got your hat. I forgot about that. That's right. Jeff Jarvis has the AI inside hat with an a brighter logo, which makes it just a little bit more fancy.

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I can't do it because I'm wearing it. Headphones. But you just have a very big head. Oh, let me just tell you, this is gonna sell hats right here, wearing it on top of my headphones. So it makes you look like you got a big head. Looks good man. Yeah. It's good. It's a nice hat. And actually, I ended up because I had to order a couple because I was like, I got a quality test.

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These things. I ended up getting a shirt. Oh, and it's tall, like, it's. It's long enough. You know, I'm a very tall. Yeah, it's totally long enough. And the quality of the shirt is really nice. A very comfortable fabric. Cool. Yeah. So we, you know, we got we got gear, we got stuff, and I and I have a better URL now.

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And AI inside dot show slash store. Good. Go there and it'll take you to the right place so you can get your own AI inside. Yep. I'll do that. Yeah, I haven't either. Well, you know, I bet there's plenty of people that that just leave that on because I got to bend it up and I think lived in, but I totally just fresh out of the box.

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I was like, okay, I'm not a I'm not a flat bill person. You know, some people are and no shade, but I like to, to bend the bill on my hats. So right on. When we're wearing on the street, people can come and say, are you Jason? Wait a minute. Oh, wait a minute. AI insight. You're Jeff Jarvis, you're Jeff.

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I finally meeting you. Excellent. Yes. Now I got that. That was a nice surprise. The problem is, I'm looking at myself in reverse, so I can't figure out how to do my hair with that. Yeah, right. Right. Do the opposite, and then you totally mess it up. Okay. Well, we've got a lot to talk about, as we usually do what we do.

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I'm starting to get kind of bored of the I should I probably shouldn't say this, but I'm starting to get kind of bored with the mythos. Yeah, I think I'm to feel like it's a lot of, like, in the weeds, and I know that it's important. I know that politically it's important, you know, that a the US government has has some sort of control over, you know, the technology companies models and all this kind of stuff.

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But. Oh yeah, well, a few things. One is it's going to be whatever happens is going to be serendipitous pretty much in one person's head, maybe two, maybe. Right. Two other models are going to be able to do just as much as mythos does. Yeah. Three it's a much as much about personality as it is about technology. Kind of feels.

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Unknown
Yeah, maybe that's my my kind of with it. Yeah. But four is that it really matters in the larger picture, as we discussed last week, as to how the RA is going to be seen in the rest of the world, and the precedent is being set here and so on. So that's still we still got to pay attention to it.

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It's important for those reasons. But yes, it's boring for the other reasons. Yeah. I'm just like when I'm catching up on on the latest that's that's happened with it. It goes further and further into the kind of political he sheds. He said she said this reportedly happened, but secretly this happened. And I get, you know, it just kind of gets exhausting after a while, but.

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Right. And that's coverage that it's not important. The coverage of it is also odd because in the Axios headline that you're showing now, Trump tells the Axios show that anthropic was a national security threat. Okay, what's really important about that headline is the past tense. Yeah. Why? Because he basically turned around and said, well, it's not anymore. Yeah, yeah.

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Not now. But a week ago was we were we were right what we did. But now. But okay then why is it why haven't you take this off? Yeah. What's going on? We don't know. There's no transparency on this. What? Discussions are happening in Washington. Again, it may not matter. I'm looking for for same discussion. Who knows? Yeah.

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Yeah. Well, apparently apparently US President Trump spoke with Dario al-Mahdi at G7. Found him to be a very nice and smart guy. And so therefore, everything's good now. Somebody prepped him. Well, yeah. Yeah, I don't know. So anyways, he confirmed it was a competitor and part owner that flagged anthropic to the white House. That would, of course, be Amazon, but not named specifically by Trump.

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And we talked a little bit about that. So, yeah, I don't know. You know, is this is this a sign that the anthropic and and like Trump relationship or Trump administration relationship is is warming to each other. What does that mean? I guess so that's what Politico, I think is, is reporting that they're actually working on a, a joint risk framework together for assessing these kind of security flaws going forward.

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Unknown
So there's a little bit of a collaborative relationship happening there. But as before there there's no it's a fool's errand to think you can make it secure. You can't. So yeah, there's a lot of people I mean, you and I admit that we have limited knowledge of AI. We admit that we come here to learn the problems with these other folks is they don't admit that they think that they're, you know, worldly experts in it.

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And there's a lot of stuff going around here that just as people don't know what they're talking about. Yeah, yeah. That's true. That is true real quick. Kind of related to the, you know, the government putting hands on on the the levers and everything like that. Meta is now being kind of nudged slash pressured to share its own model evals with the government, apparently the only major holdout to date.

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So that's happening. It's happening more apparently. And then let's see here, what else do we have here? Well, this was important. So anthropic probably. And whatever happens, you're if they say that you cannot use it unless you're an American citizen or you can only use this version if you're American citizen, then we get into the same problem we get into with porn and kids on screens, which is privacy and identity.

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So so everybody is going to have to have some major structure to look. And it's not just that they need to get your name and your age. One might think they will have to verify your citizenship. Right.

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And if you don't have a passport because some people don't, what do you have to do? Your birth certificate. If this gets to a level of absurdity to use an LLM, you have to. Yeah. Should show your passport or your birth certificate, I mean geez. Oh, boy. Yeah, yeah. It's interesting. So the the news here for those not watching it's a TechCrunch article says anthropic says Claude may want to see your ID and yeah.

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So users being asked to upload some form of of identification along with like a selfie photo or a video or something like that, which can generate this facial geometry template, which is considered also, at least in some places, biometric data. So that's biometric data as part of the verification process. And yeah, people were freaked about privacy. Oh, totally.

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By which they are. This does not smell the government trying to protect their privacy. No. And then what? If you ask a question, you shouldn't ask it then now your identity is tied to it. Right. And so. And the questions of liability aren't really set yet. We talked about the German case two weeks ago where where Google was found liable for giving a bad answer.

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Now, if you ask a bad question.

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Will you be liable? I mean, it's just getting to be hot under the collar here. Yeah. How how do you determine what a good question versus a it's a software folks. It's just a program. It's not magic. It's not God. It's not AGI. This again they themselves by acting as if they are all powerful and dangerous. They brought this upon themselves.

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But but the impact is greater than on them.

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Anthropic says this isn't for everyone. This isn't the sort of thing that everyone that's going to be applied to. Everyone they say this is for a small subset of users flagged for fraudulent activity or potentially fraudulent. Yeah, but once they have the structure, once it's there. That's the problem with something like that, it you start to kind of if they're told that certain things cannot be used by foreign citizens, it just logically you end up end up there.

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And this anthropic spokesperson this is Tarek, she, she, she sorry for the last name mispronunciation that I almost certainly did said that this is unrelated to the fable or mythos rollout. Yeah. Yeah. So I jumped ahead. I shouldn't have gone that far. But no no no no I'm fine. It's a very short, logical step. Yeah. From this to that.

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Right. Well, and then there's the fact that the, the verification process itself, the identity entity verification provider's persona, that's a company that's backed by Founders Fund, which is essentially Peter Thiel's investment firm. Oh, teal also invested in to some degree. So the water gets kind of murky, kind of weird, don't quite like it so much. Yeah. You tie this to the Trump administration's desire to get voter rolls and citizenship and all of that.

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That's where my head goes. Yeah, yeah. I mean, it goes way beyond I know I'm jumping way ahead, but you have to anticipate this stuff. That's. Yeah, it's it's hard. It's hard for my mind not to jump to those places, especially when I see Peter Thiel's name kind of pop up in here. I'm like, oh, God. So then it all feeds into itself in weird, weird, potentially uncomfortable ways.

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Not to mention this is anthropic. We're talking about the company that has really kind of touted itself and represented itself as responsible AI company, kind of at the center of this, like geopolitical, like power struggle. And, you know, it seems to go in all these potentially icky directions to whether they have control over those icky directions or not, I guess is a is an open question, but I don't know.

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Things change pretty quickly, don't they? I don't know, is there anything else in the in the US government slash clod thing that I mean I have yeah I think I've done it. There's, there's some other stuff in there. I mean there was well there was the news today about the NSA director saying that the tool broke into almost all of our classified systems, not in weeks but in hours, which we had heard of before.

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But Senator Mark Warner, vice chair, brief lawmakers on that red team exercise and kind of detailed what was going on there, which, I mean, I only sort of understand the depths to it. I mean, seems like people today are responding to the fact that that that this was happening inside of the NSA, I guess. I don't know, apparently I don't know enough about this to really talk about it to on a deeper.

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Neither are we ever going to have a good report on that. Really? Yeah. Yeah. So anyways, okay, well then let's move on because I'm happy to move on from that. I'm sure it's the sort of thing that's going to keep. We will keep an eye on it. But but know that we probably figure that you guys out there getting tired of the story too.

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So we'll we'll keep a reasonable cap on it. See, I enjoy talking about smart glasses. This is like, yeah, you do my level of doctor smart glass. So shifting gears a little bit or entirely depending on how you look at it, meta launched its own brand of smart glasses. So this is up until now we've been used to meta and it's Ray-Bans.

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That's that's largely been the really popular model of their smart glasses. I have somewhere I have the meta Oakley's on my, you know, on my shelf that I, that I would look very good with your eye inside hat. Yes. Depending on who I run into, either look very good or very punchable. So yes, it's very true. These new glasses that meta announced are not Ray-Bans.

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They're not Oakley's, they're not branded. They're just three frame styles that they're doing outside of that branding still apparently developed by or manufactured by Essilor Luxottica. The same is as Ray-Ban and Oakley to my understanding, but no like branding on them. And the the styles are the adventurer, which is like a clean rectangular look. Do I have any other pictures of some of these?

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Kind of a cleaner rectangular look? There's a boxier kind of more bold look called Fury. Yeah, there's a Kylie Jenner version which is more expensive, which is 3.99. Is that one? Yes. Slim oval frames. Yeah. More expensive. Has a gem in the in the display. Apparently some sort of like sparkly gem or. I'm not really quite sure what that's all about.

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Also has nose pads, metallic nose pads, because apparently this is just something that I wouldn't know because I've never worn makeup. But apparently metallic nose pads don't smear makeup and so they would be more friendly for. So they got some advice from Kylie. I guess they got some. Yes, the influencer that she is. What's the what's the price of the of the others now do you, do you remember.

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So 299 for the adventure in the theory that's for their Kylie is Kylie's model is 3.99. So. What about the the others oh oh the like the meta Ray-Bans. Sorry. Yeah. I think that I think the meta Ray-Bans off the top of my head are probably something like 360 or something like that. I think it's like 60 or $80.

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Discount for the non. I can't imagine the Ray-Ban is very happy about this, but they're still making it looks their company makes all glasses these days. Yeah, practically. So they're still making them. So yeah, I imagine this is just. Yeah. Yet another you know it's lowering the entry point, lowering the floor, the price floor for people to get in on these things.

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Much of the the hardware specs, my understanding, are basically the same, you know, all the same cameras and speakers and all that kind of stuff. It's just the design of the frames is not it's not Ray-Ban, you know, it's not Oakley. They have three way adjustable nose pads. They ship with an updated version of meta AI, apparently called Muse Spark, and that has like, I don't know what the upgrades are outside of a few, a handful of things like potentially at some point it's going to get audio turn by turn navigation, which, you know, one of those things that I'm like, oh, I'm surprised it didn't have that before.

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A dynamic photo feature for automatically snapping a number of frames based on video that you're shooting and animating that and reels and stuff. So kind of creator focused stuff, but nothing to like critical, let's say that I could find anyways. But I'm curious because you and I, we were early on, we've talked about many times. We were early on with the with the Google Glass, and I'm wondering if the if the consumer appetite is here for these, like I would say like six months ago, I was really excited about these things and kind of potential.

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And I still think the potential is there. I think the technology of AI with the form factor of glasses and the fact that we look use our eyes when we're wearing glasses to see lots of things. So from a contextual standpoint, there's a lot of really cool things there, but there's also a lot of pushback happening right now.

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There is a lot of anti-air sentiment happening, and to a certain degree, I think glasses like these are kind of becoming the symbol, like symbolic of all that is bad about AI, the invasiveness of AI there, the data center on your face. Yes. That's a great way to put it. The data center on your face, I like that that might just have to be the title, but but yeah.

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Unknown
Like are we is this glass whole 2.0 do you think potentially or or is it not quite there yet. Well I also think it's the same with and you're going to talk about this the, the speakers in your desk. They still haven't really shown consumer demand. Their solution is looking for a problem. I mean, as you've said, going back to Google Glass, if you have kids and you can easily take a picture of your kid, that's a that's demand.

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Unknown
Got that? Sure. Yeah, I can imagine, you know, we've always imagined that there's uses of these things going back to Google Glass in terms of your your repair person and you need instructions for something or other. Okay. But just generally civilian use. I don't think we're hearing much demand for it. And what I'm hearing is some people like them because of the of the music, the bone conduction, that it's just there.

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Unknown
You don't have to put it into the in your ear. You've got sound or it's not even bone conduction is it? It's just like, no it's not. No, they're they're like normal speakers. They're just, you know, very focused and trained on where your ears are positioned. So, you know, but yeah, you can hear these in the room if you haven't turned up too loud.

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Unknown
They are not private speakers by any stretch. Piss me off. Yeah. I'm I'm actually kind of surprised that they don't do bone conduction on these things. There must be a reason why, but it seems like it would be. It would make more sense because you'd want to just be more battery power. Yeah, maybe it's that or they just don't really sound as good or I'm not entirely sure.

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Unknown
The other factor is for for for eyes like me who don't wear contacts. I was supposed to have my cataract surgery, but then I ended up in the hospital, so I had to cancel. So I'm not going to have to be done with it until December now. But even then, I'm going to have nothing on the top to reading in the bottom.

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So I'm going to have custom lenses, and that adds to the expense of these things. 99 for paraphrase, there are plenty of frames out there that cost $300. Yes, super true. You could get them for a lot less, but it's not unknown to have designer frames be 300 bucks. So that's getting that. Then if I'm going to get the lens anyway, I'm going to get the frames anyway.

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Then the question is is the functionality worth it? Do I like the frames but I don't. And are you okay with your glasses? Always having that little camera dot that little camera cut out that right now might be acceptable, but in like a year might be a total. Well, if you look at the ones from meta, it's not nearly so obvious.

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Unknown
Yeah. And and dark glasses there's frames there. Yeah. It's not nearly so noticeable. And we got Apple like apparently Apple has been working on its own smart glasses potentially I think I think Mark Gurman from Bloomberg has said that it's expected to be announced this fall. Probably not coming out and shipping until 2027 but announced this fall and Google too.

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Unknown
Well, and Google, of course, we've got Google and their smart glasses that still do not have a release date necessarily, but probably sometime this year, I'm guessing. God, I feel like we said that last year, but if I'm going to get any of them because I'm in the Google ecosystem, I'm going to get Google's. Yep. Because it'll it'll it'll have my email and it'll have everything else.

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Unless of course, I won't be allowed to because I'm a workspace customer. Well, which is probably the case. Yeah. Could probably yeah I can't you can't rule it out that's for sure. That fit to come. Yeah I mean having used the Google ones, having used the meta ones, I prefer the Google ones because the Gemini interaction is, you know, more dialed into what I'm used to and what I already use meta AI as a stretch, and I just don't think it's as good.

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But, yeah, I'd be curious to kind of see what the you know, how things look in a year. Are these the are these devices going to come out and be met with excitement or, you know, have the people that are excited about it already gotten them, and everybody else is just like, oh God. Oh, you're one of those wearing those glasses.

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Okay, I know who you are. You know, lots of judgment, I think is is in the in the air for devices like this. Be curious to see. But lowering the price I mean, that's, that's, you know, that's a, that's an important move for, for getting more people through the door I suppose. Yep. Meta. Real quick. Just on the meta front.

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Anyways, wired reported that meta accident. Oh this is so I did just talk about icky meta accidentally exposed employee data from its employee tracking program. So the program is called Model Capability Initiative. MCI meta launched it in April. And the program, you know, no big deal. It just collects keystrokes, mouse movements, click locations, screen content from all of its US based employees, works laptops.

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So if you're using a laptop, they're working in the US. All the different, not just the places they're going, but like literally tracking everything. And they meta said, you know, you have to use this. Employees tracking was mandatory, and the purpose was for training AI models to replicate how humans interact with computers. There was a lot of pushback internally.

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A lot of employees didn't want to do this for obvious reasons, but they had to. Apparently, some of that information, some of this private information, started to become publicly accessible by other employees inside of the network so that private data, you know, was full prompts, transcripts, private conversations, performance data, all that kind of stuff. I don't know how easily accessible it was, but it was accessible nonetheless.

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And so meta is like, oh, actually, maybe we should change things. So they put a pause on the program while they're investigating it. But are we at all surprised? I mean, no, no, no. But if it makes people on the outside of meta, even though it didn't involve them all privacy people are going to say, see, see, they can't even get their own employees.

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Unknown
Is there like is there some is there a benefit? I guess there, I guess from a training perspective, in the same way that like hiring that company to have a house cleaning, you know, house cleaner, come in with a camera on their hat to clean your house, to train future robots. I mean, it's kind of the same thing that you're talking about here.

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But, you know, this kind of feeds into the the quote that I saw recently, I think it was Bosworth that admitted that the morale at meta is, I think he said the worst it's ever been or near the worst it's ever been. And something like this certainly doesn't improve morale. I'd guess that most employees don't like us. Some don't like something like this being floated as a mandatory, but it's really just adding on the head layoffs like crazy.

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Unknown
They've changed strategic direction. They've abandoned things that they were working on, the things that were unclear. Those are all the reasons why the morale sucks. But you add something like this on that. Yeah. Doesn't help. Doesn't help at all. Yeah. So there you go. Paused, not canceled, but paused while they investigate so we could be coming back. Interesting stuff.

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Going to take a quick break and then we'll get back and talk about Google seeing some pretty notable defections. Is it is it indicative of something bigger? That's what we're going to talk about coming up here in a moment.

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All right. So in one week we saw John Jumper, who shared the 2024 Nobel Prize for chemistry, for developing AlphaFold. He announced that he's leaving Google DeepMind after nine years with the company going to anthropic. And AlphaFold, I would say is is a pretty big success for Google, right? It's predicts and a success for all of AI to say this is what we can do with it.

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Unknown
Yeah, totally. The poster child for beneficial beneficent AI. Yeah. Solid example, solid representation of kind of the the good and interesting things that can come from AI that isn't, you know. Yeah. I mean, the scientific side of things that I think is a is ripe for the picking. And so, doing something genuinely useful for science, let's say.

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And jumper credited Demis Hassabis for taking a chance on him, for letting him lead the AlphaFold team six months after finishing his own PhD. He called DeepMind a special place in his exit. But of course, now he's heading on to anthropic. There, he is expected to lead a new AI native platform for scientific discovery, so scientific based basis around his work continuing over there.

00:28:11:07 - 00:28:33:05
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He'll be focusing on reliability on interpretability. So that's one defection. So you go ahead then we'll go to the stock. Yes. Go ahead. Oh yeah. Yeah. And then we've also got well we have the stock sliding. Where was it. Where was the other one I swear I had another story in here but it's okay Noam Shazier is VP of engineering and co-lead of the Gemini models.

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Unknown
He announced that he's leaving Google for OpenAI. And he's important right. He coauthored the 2017 Attention is all you need paper that introduced the transformer architecture. So arguably one of the most important papers written in the last decade related to AI. I mean, it's it's set the foundations in the and the understanding for much of what we're seeing right now.

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And Google had paid $2.7 billion in August 2024 to bring Shazier back into the team because he had left to found character AI. And then what? Google acquired character, I think brought him back in. And then just two years later, less than two years later, he's gone again, going over to OpenAI, of which Sam Altman is very, very excited to have him.

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After ten years of what lawyer wrote, that contract did lock him down for a decade. GS. Yeah, right. I know it's interesting. It's interesting. So what's amazing is how these two departures had an impact on the stock. Took a true tumble headed from 365 a share down to 342 a share in a day. Wow. And it went up some.

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Unknown
And today it's down almost near that low again. It's 340. Oh it is 342. So it's at that low. Oh 341 below that load right now. And I think this had an impact. There's been a sell off in all of AI stocks. And I think this they just needed a trigger. And I think it's I think a lot of it is profit taking.

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Unknown
I don't think it's it's systemic to what's going on. I can be wrong. Am I for one K could suffer as a result. But it's amazing how those two departures had an impact on the whole market. Yeah, right. Imagine being that that valuable and that powerful. Yeah. That you shift things. I would have quit if you don't make me happy.

00:30:34:07 - 00:31:04:20
Unknown
Yeah, well, DeepMind chief CEO Mr. Sorbus told semaphore that Google. Don't worry. Google still has a very deep research bench. They have no problems hiring top recruits. There's nothing nothing to see here, which is true. But, you know, my question is, as we talk about this all the time, how the models are essentially commodified. Yeah, they leapfrog each other.

00:31:04:23 - 00:31:30:13
Unknown
It's not like you were Johnny back in the day or Steve Jobs back in the day. It's replicable. So how valuable is one person anymore, really? Unless you're doing a new look at my $5 out right now paradigm. You know, but but meta lost Yann LeCun and said, okay, go go ahead, John. And he has a whole new vision.

00:31:30:15 - 00:31:50:24
Unknown
So I don't see anybody being that that's what it means to me about the market reaction is that, yeah, it's a shame. Unless they thought it meant that there were bad things happening in a deep by. But I don't think that's the case. They're still important and I think still basically leading. So it's weird. It's weird. It's it's the it's the genius myth.

00:31:50:26 - 00:32:20:05
Unknown
Yeah. I think you're right. It's easy to think that one person has that much impact and influence. I'm not saying they're not important and that their work isn't important, but of course great things there. Really? Yeah. There's a lot of really great thinkers and doers in the world of AI. And maybe, maybe that person has has given you enough, you know, to fuel the remainder of the team.

00:32:20:07 - 00:32:43:24
Unknown
But maybe it is leadership to and maybe that's where things suffer, you know, does is the team as impactful without that mind and that minds capability of leading the team towards that vision? You know, maybe there is a difference there I don't know. But yeah, it is kind of cult like in AI. These names held so high on a pedestal.

00:32:43:26 - 00:33:05:26
Unknown
I'm not even saying. And I don't mean that to be flippant like like I don't respect the work that they do. But is any one person really that valuable? Yeah, I think is kind of the question. You know, one thing I've learned in studying the technologies in media, going back, there are eureka moments in my book Hot Type, available for order now.

00:33:06:03 - 00:33:30:03
Unknown
Ottmar Morgentaler, the veteran Linotype, really did have two key Eureka's where he broke out of the thinking of others and it made possible what happened. The same was with the transistor. They were working around materials, and there was kind of a eureka moment there. So it can happen. But in the case of the transistor, in the end, it was it was teamwork.

00:33:30:03 - 00:33:58:26
Unknown
It was a bunch of people. There was no one person. And that's the most changing invention one can imagine in my lifetime. You're a little too young, Jason, but actually, no, I guess I'm before. Right before I was born. So, yes, geniuses can be important. No, no debating that. But the other thing about about inventions is that once it's known, other people kind of say, oh, yeah, of course, of course.

00:33:58:27 - 00:34:22:25
Unknown
Why didn't I see it just becomes normal and then they build on it. And so the innovation is always collaborative. So anyway. Good luck at your new homes and and anthropic and OpenAI guys. And who knows you might be back at Google the next time happens. But nobody's nobody's spending $2.7 billion again on you fella. Yeah I don't know that.

00:34:22:26 - 00:34:44:14
Unknown
Wouldn't wouldn't rule it out. You just never know. I like talking about AI in Hollywood. So, you know, and it seems like a few things have happened in the last week that are worth talking about. First of all, I'm a huge fan of A24. I don't know if you've seen some of A24's kind of film catalog, but it is.

00:34:44:17 - 00:35:07:15
Unknown
You know, it's a studio that takes a lot of risks, I would say. And the last ten years or so, they've just consistently released, like, it's kind of gotten to the point in my mind where A24 announces a film and people just get excited about it because it's coming from A24. They they do a really good job of picking their projects, and for the most part, they deliver solid, solidly on that.

00:35:07:23 - 00:35:43:19
Unknown
So to a certain degree, A24 is is like a cutting edge, you know, seen as a cutting edge studio. And then now we have Google investing $75 million into a 24, a research partnership with Google DeepMind. Speaking of DeepMind. So it's Google's first ever stake in a film studio. But what they're going to be doing is that A24 is tech division, which is called A24 labs, is going to use DeepMind's research, its infrastructure, its technology stack to develop AI powered storyboard tools.

00:35:43:19 - 00:36:07:14
Unknown
So it's not like they're using these models to generate films. But storyboard is essentially it's like a visual representation on paper or a visual form of what the movie could look like. You know, it's often it kind of looks like a comic book of some sort. It's like this scene and then this scene and that leads to this scene and that sort of thing.

00:36:07:14 - 00:36:36:13
Unknown
So, you know, I don't know what that tool exactly is going to be, but, I've certainly I've actually played around with AI tools, like, I think Higgs Field has a storyboard option. I can't remember what they call it, but I played around with that to kind of storyboard an idea, and it can be very useful to get just like a baseline visual representation of your idea in a format that could potentially be made into, let's say, a film or a short film or something like that.

00:36:36:15 - 00:36:51:17
Unknown
Yeah. One thing I've learned around media executives when I was at Time Warner and so on, is that they're very literal minded. They need to be shown. When I, when I started, I don't have a weekly we, we had to do prototypes just because they needed they needed to see it. They couldn't understand, you know, I wrote it up.

00:36:51:17 - 00:37:10:26
Unknown
That was enough for me. I could I could describe it. I knew what it was going to be like. No, no, no, no, no. I had to spend weeks and weeks and weeks with staff creating prototypes of the magazine so that they can understand it. And I think that's true in Hollywood. It's true everywhere. If you're the bosses, if you're the creators, you don't necessarily need the tools much.

00:37:11:00 - 00:37:29:00
Unknown
The creators need it for the bosses. And then I can see the other use of it in film is obviously, if you want to try to envision and price out what it's going to cost to shoot something better, if you can see representation, oh, I need I need to blow up the Golden Gate Bridge. Okay. Right now, what does that look like?

00:37:29:01 - 00:37:51:19
Unknown
Or I need a real set and I have to build that real set. What all is on that. Right. And then it's a way for the creator to give instructions to those who actually do it. So I can see lots of uses for this technology. What interests me so much about this is that we saw dancing around of Hollywood, looking north to the evil North.

00:37:51:20 - 00:38:11:20
Unknown
You're going to destroy us with your AI, and those walls are coming down fast. We mentioned a few weeks ago that the The Actors Guild said, okay, you can use some characters under certain rules, and now you have the studios saying, oh goody, now we can work with AI. And I think we're going to see big changes here.

00:38:11:23 - 00:38:33:13
Unknown
Yeah. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. It's interesting, I think what what caught my attention on this and talking about what we were talking about a little bit ago with the meta glasses and kind of like the some of the social pushback is that A24 is a studio that, in my mind, is kind of seen as like a, like a boundary pusher.

00:38:33:14 - 00:38:57:06
Unknown
You know, they take risks and they do interesting things and they do things differently. And that's part of the reason why many people see them as successful as they are. They're like, they're very modern, kind of current successful studio that doesn't operate in the way the traditional studios did ten, 15, 20 years ago or whatever. And so now you have them opening up more to AI tools.

00:38:57:06 - 00:39:32:20
Unknown
And instead of that being, oh, check out this innovative studio doing innovative things, there's a lot of pushback immediately that are like, oh, it's A24 giving in to the AI slop world of, you know, of of content. Well, laugh all the way to can. Yeah, yeah, it'll be interesting even. And I should throw out the article that I'm showing here, Wall Street Journal's article on backrooms, which is a movie that they put out that has been just a massive success, just totally unrelated to anything.

00:39:32:23 - 00:39:55:14
Unknown
Just just to mention, I live in Petaluma, California, directed by a Petaluma. Oh, this the film a kid from I say kid. He's in his early 20s, so he's just younger than me. So I guess that's why I say that. But, he directed this. It started as a YouTube. YouTube? Yeah, yeah, a YouTube short and a series of shorts that he turned into a film.

00:39:55:14 - 00:40:13:23
Unknown
And it's just been hugely successful. Once again. What's so exciting about this is there's new creative voices who don't have to walk through the, the gantlet. I saw a op ed by a Sony executive this week saying, oh, but no, no no no no, we we big studios still matter in all of this now. It's still we're still very important.

00:40:13:23 - 00:40:29:23
Unknown
And look how we still distribute these things. And he's trying to he's trying to, you know, get some glow of this of this new creative force. And he's arguing that, well, look at people in the past who made something small. And then and then they get hired by us and they made big things. That's not the point anymore.

00:40:29:25 - 00:40:55:06
Unknown
Yeah. You don't need the huge budget anymore. You can be creative in new ways. Now. Sometimes you are going to use a huge budget and then God bless. But but it reduces the risk factor immensely. Yeah. Yeah, it's an interesting time. Yep. That director, by the way, his quote related to this is if I could snap my fingers and make generative AI disappear forever, I probably would.

00:40:55:08 - 00:41:27:09
Unknown
He calls it genuinely harmful and cultural rot. Cultural rot. Boy, that's that's a few. Some people are using it to make rot. Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. But yeah. But I would imagine. Yeah. More and more of these tools. Yeah. The same way that, you know, however many decades ago visual effects when, you know, veered away from being about practical effects and more into digital effects, we're going to start to see the same kind of transition.

00:41:27:11 - 00:41:49:27
Unknown
I mean, we already are. So it's going to at a certain point, it's going to be hard to remove yourself from the differentiation between those things, you know. Yeah. And then we have related it's like a three fer here. Google DeepMind's Marsha Meyer is a former Pixar producer and produced a six minute animated short called Dear Upstairs Neighbor.

00:41:50:00 - 00:42:15:12
Unknown
Sorry, Dear Upstairs Neighbors. It's screening at the 2026 Tribeca Film Festival, and it was made using custom builds of Google's Vo and imagine models that were all fine tuned with concept art. So here you go. It's pretty cool. AI, AI driven, you know, created content, but still with the human kind of in the loop as far as that's concerned.

00:42:15:12 - 00:42:43:29
Unknown
And then kind of in a different vein, what did you think of Social Network when it came out? Hated it. Hated it. Why'd you hated it? Because it lied because it didn't really tell the story. I mean, and, you know, the argument is, well, it's just it's just a movie, but it it misled about motives. I mean, the basic underlying motive in The Social Network was that Mark was horny and wanted to date, and that's why he did all this.

00:42:44:01 - 00:43:04:11
Unknown
He had a girlfriend who who became his wife. That was just not true. Okay, I understand using license narratively for a point, but if you're going to do something that is so key to the character you're talking about, the character you're slamming and you're off. I thought it was it was exploitive. And I think he drives me nuts.

00:43:04:11 - 00:43:26:27
Unknown
What did you think of it? Yeah, I thought it was. It was entertaining, but I've always felt weird. And I did then, and I think it kind of ties in with what you're saying, that the misrepresented nature of it so close to the moment feels a bit like propaganda to me. It feels a bit to me like rewriting history.

00:43:26:27 - 00:43:41:24
Unknown
And yeah, I think it had huge impact. I mean, Facebook didn't know what to do with it. And finally they ended up they ended up, you know, like doing the screening and go to it into it. What are you gonna do? Got to embrace it. It was a PR decision. Yeah, but they didn't. And now you have the sequel coming out, The Social Reckoning.

00:43:42:00 - 00:44:00:02
Unknown
Oh that's right. Also written and directed by Sorkin with what's his name, Jeremy Strong playing Mark Zuckerberg. Just that casting Jeremy Strong in succession played a.

00:44:00:05 - 00:44:21:24
Unknown
Psychotic character in a way, I would say. Yeah, yeah, very intense actor, so intense. So he's bringing that to Zuckerberg. And so it's another slam job. Not that he doesn't deserve it these days, more so, more so than earlier. But but anyway, so Sorkin is is exploiting this once again. But why did you bring that up Jason. Yeah.

00:44:21:24 - 00:44:46:29
Unknown
Well because I'm feeling I'm feeling similar similar vibes to this movie called artificial, which Amazon was going to release. It's about OpenAI. Basically. It's it's about the whole time period, which was not that long ago. That's that's kind of my point where Sam Altman was fired and then rehired from OpenAI. I have no doubt that's an interesting story.

00:44:47:00 - 00:45:09:07
Unknown
Oh, hell of a story. But it just man, it just feels so too close. Like, I don't I don't know what the line is. But again, it's like, how how do you do something like that? Justice. Being so close to the story, I feel like it's so easy to get it wrong because we're still in the midst of how that story is being told and what the implications are of it.

00:45:09:09 - 00:45:24:20
Unknown
So again, I don't know what the line is. I don't even know what my point is other than it just it always feels. It felt weird with Social Network when it came out feeling like, why are you doing a movie so close to the event? Is this just a ploy to get me to feel a certain way about the event?

00:45:24:21 - 00:45:51:20
Unknown
Because it's not biographical, you know, purely and I guess that the same will be true about this. Well, there's even more of these in the in the old days, when I was a TV critic, right, I watched these docu dramas and such ripped from the headlines. And then you also saw the shows, right? The cop shows. They love to rip from the headlines because they weren't creative enough that they had to go to grow those stories.

00:45:51:23 - 00:46:12:03
Unknown
So we see a lot of that elsewhere. I think this is just an area that affects us. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, totally. You know, like the the murder case, the murder case, there was a big there were there were two movies, one one mini series about it. So you see this elsewhere. But it's weird because our people, our tech people are so boring.

00:46:12:05 - 00:46:41:00
Unknown
They're nerds. Right. Like, really, there's a story here. Yeah. There's something exciting to sex them up, you know? Yeah. That's true. That's a good point. That's a good counterbalance, I appreciate that. Anyways, Amazon dropped it. Amazon was going to release it. Now they've dropped it. Now they're people related to artificial are looking for someone else to to partner with for.

00:46:41:01 - 00:47:09:23
Unknown
It's being shopped around but apparently Netflix Focus Features, A24, Lionsgate, Warner Brothers, Sony, Paramount, Disney all passing like oh why? Which is actually kind of surprising. Like why? Why would none of them not want to be the ones to bring the potentially the the big name OpenAI, you know, drama to the screen at a time when AI is is exploding.

00:47:09:25 - 00:47:28:15
Unknown
You know, I think what yeah, one presumes that it's a negative portrayal. Yeah, I think I don't know, it could be positive, but I also think that there's a general zeitgeist. Now, if people don't want to hear about AI, they don't want to talk about AI. They're bad at AI. Yeah, I don't want to get any of that on me.

00:47:28:18 - 00:48:00:03
Unknown
Right. What are we signing up for when we say yes to this project? Yeah, yeah. Interesting. Well, and I think this article on Mashable also kind of dives into the why behind Amazon dropping it to Amazon invested 50 billion in OpenAI in February. That was part of a it's a strategic partnership for OpenAI to use AWS. The screenplay reportedly portrays Altman as sociopathic.

00:48:00:03 - 00:48:22:14
Unknown
And so they and you've got some complicated networks. The other thing is all those companies you listed, when you look at the A24 Google deal, each of them may want to do big deals with AI companies, including OpenAI. Yeah. So, you know, you look at what happened to Getty Images when opening the idea to deal with them, their stock went up 200% because they did.

00:48:22:19 - 00:48:44:14
Unknown
They licensed images. So I guess each of them thinks there may be some gold at the end of the rainbow for them, and they don't want to kill the leprechaun. Oh, so violent. Don't kill the leprechaun. It doesn't deserve it. Interesting. Did you see Midjourney? Did you see this coming? Midjourney? No. The AI. I saw Midjourney in trouble.

00:48:44:19 - 00:49:14:01
Unknown
Midjourney hadn't done much lately, you know. Had heard much about Midjourney. Right. Well. And yet, building a full body electrostatic scanner called Midjourney Medical. And it's a way of getting similar results to an MRI, but with no radiation. It just uses sound waves and uses water. And it takes. Right now it takes 20 minutes per scan. They've scanned, I think I think this article said they scanned like 12 ish people, not many people.

00:49:14:08 - 00:49:42:24
Unknown
The target is 60s per scan. So very quick scan and it generates an insane amount of data 17GB, sorry, gigabytes per second, terabytes per scan processed by a cluster of thousands of computers. And, you know, analyzes the scan and everything like that. And, I don't know, it's a it's just an interesting direction for a company like Midjourney to be going in this.

00:49:42:24 - 00:49:59:24
Unknown
But then at the same time, it kind of makes sense if they're sitting around scratching their heads like, what can we do with all this work that we've done where we've kind of plateaued in the image generation department, but how can we take this technology and apply it in a different way? This might actually be a really smart direction for them to take it.

00:50:00:00 - 00:50:21:03
Unknown
Yeah. And, you know, it's no stranger than pivoting from shoes to AI. Totally discussed last week. This actually makes more sense from a lot more. The other thing, you know, having advised entrepreneurs when I taught entrepreneurial journalism, you always say about should I go to sea or B to B, B to C could be I can be really famous, I can be really rich and it can be huge.

00:50:21:03 - 00:50:43:01
Unknown
I tell you, huge. But it's really hard. B2B you have a more finite task, more finite sales target. You can do quicker sales in the end, well as slower sales one on one, but you can get up to speed a little quicker. So Midjourney at a consumer product was being outdone by especially Google I think. And so they had to pivot.

00:50:43:01 - 00:51:02:15
Unknown
And this is an interesting pivot. My fear for this is that it could be really powerful. It could be really good. But based on what you're telling me, with terabytes of data, it's going to be only for the rich. Well okay. So check this out. They're building Midjourney spa. Okay. This. Yep. This is this is where I get.

00:51:02:17 - 00:51:21:25
Unknown
Yeah. This is where it kind of goes down that road. Hot tubs, saunas, cold plunges, scanner rooms. The first one is going to open in San Francisco next year in 2027. So it's like a wellness center that includes a full body scan. Yeah. So you could be right. This could be just for the rich. Yeah. How much is this going to cost?

00:51:21:25 - 00:51:42:03
Unknown
That's a good question. I lost my my PCP to a longevity center place where you go and you spend a lot of money. They do full scans, they do all this stuff. It'd be nice if our health insurance would do that for all of us. Yeah, but only the rich. Yeah, yeah. I wonder. Yeah, what we would find out about ourselves.

00:51:42:05 - 00:52:05:17
Unknown
Yeah. From their site, they say we think it's completely possible that with enough enough early imaging in the future, the world could avoid 30% of all deaths, 50% of all health care costs. I mean, I don't know where they're pulling those numbers out from, but the contrary argument is it's going to find conditions that wouldn't kill you. That is, and treat them and so forth.

00:52:05:23 - 00:52:28:14
Unknown
I mean, had prostate cancer, you know, there's an argument that says we shouldn't be testing that much. But in my case, I had fast growing prostate cancer. So I'm glad we tested. And screw your statistics. It's not about a whole population. I'm one person. It's individual. That's what I want to know. It's individualized. Yeah. Very, very interesting.

00:52:28:14 - 00:52:51:06
Unknown
And and finally entirely community funded from image generation subscriptions. So they've got all that money coming in from subscriptions. They're going to put it into these Midjourney spas with full body scanners. Did not see that one coming. Nope. That was fresh. I love this next story. I came across this and I was like, this is see, this is fun.

00:52:51:06 - 00:53:13:14
Unknown
And I love when we get the chance to talk about something that's a little fun for a change. Ribeye is what it's called I think it's let me see here. Rib. Let's see. Rib rib eye TV I believe. Yeah that's it. So what is really rib is a site. It's a it's a free site. Completely free vibe coded.

00:53:13:14 - 00:53:38:08
Unknown
Oh I can click to watch a game. Oh there is a game going on right now. Great. It converts real time MLB. That is Major League Baseball game data into kind of a pixel art, arcade style broadcast. And so the creator of this used his name's Eric Brown Root. He used Cloud Code and Codex over a few weekends to create this site.

00:53:38:08 - 00:54:01:25
Unknown
It is free, like I said. So I just I just opened it up and clicked into it and boom, I'm watching a game here. We'll go ahead and click into this game so you can see what it looks like. And it pulls in MLB's Public Stats API and then renders pitch by pitch, play by play. Everything that happens, they've even got like pixel art, representation of the stadiums, all the different players.

00:54:01:26 - 00:54:26:18
Unknown
Is it interactive? Like I can click into the the scores to get information on on the play by play the box score scoring, what's happening. It's all, you know fed in through through the feed. And I don't know I just think it's super creative and I love that it exists. And they they added fantasy baseball roster tracking into it.

00:54:26:18 - 00:54:50:09
Unknown
So you can track swing and a miss. And the ball goes back to the pitcher's mound I don't know I think this is awesome. I absolutely love it. So way back when I think I think around 2000, there was an effort to do something like this, and it got stopped immediately because the MLB said, no, no, no, no, you can't that that would would institute that would be the same as trying to broadcast our game.

00:54:50:09 - 00:55:12:27
Unknown
You're using our data to broadcast our game. But the MLB has open data. And one of the founders says that a legal case in 2007 ruled that baseball stats are facts and therefore are not copyrightable. This allows them to create this without MLB permission. But I imagine there's about 12 lawyers at MLB looking at this right now saying, how can we go after this?

00:55:13:00 - 00:55:29:15
Unknown
I absolutely or by it, I think, or by yeah, I mean, it's it's super creative and yeah, it is it's just this is. Yeah. And it's one of those things that when I see it and I hear that that background context, I'm just like, damn, why didn't I think of that? That's what a great you know what I mean?

00:55:29:18 - 00:55:58:19
Unknown
It sounds so obvious in retrospect, but clearly it's not because no one had done it before. And it's. Yeah, it's it's all vibe coded. So that's that's pretty rad. I love that it exists. It's Rebeka TV and, you know, just a dude that loves baseball. I'm not a huge baseball fan. I just don't watch much baseball. So, you know, be kind of cool to have this for other sports, but I don't know how well it would work with other sports, to be honest.

00:55:58:21 - 00:56:19:03
Unknown
But I think it's pretty cool that exists. So good on you. What what are the you know, the things that haven't been created or vibe coded yet that we'll see by some random person that has a cool idea what's probably lots. Yeah. All right. Going to take a quick break. Before we do, thank you for leaving us a review on Apple Podcasts.

00:56:19:03 - 00:56:43:05
Unknown
If you haven't done that already or you haven't done it ever, well, now is the time. If you like the show, go to Apple Podcast. Leave us a review. It really does help us out at getting more attention and more views on what we're doing here. So I'm going to take and thank you for doing that. And we're going to take a quick break and then come back and talk about ambient audio memory on your Google Pixel device.

00:56:43:05 - 00:56:47:12
Unknown
It might be a thing coming up. We're going to talk about that in a moment.

00:56:47:14 - 00:57:06:21
Unknown
All right so I have a pixel device. Is your device is a pixel right. Is that what you have. Yeah ten okay then do you do you have the ten. Okay so do I. Do you have now playing active on your pixel device. So now playing as a feature it's an ambient audio feature you can activate in settings if you care about music.

00:57:06:21 - 00:57:28:03
Unknown
Basically what it does is it ambient picks up clues around what music is happening near your phone at all times, and then when it picks it up. So you're in a restaurant and music's playing in the background. It'll tell you on your lock screen, oh, that's Janis Joplin, blah, blah, blah, or whatever, you know, and it has an insane amount of support.

00:57:28:04 - 00:57:47:19
Unknown
And I don't know how they do it because they're not, you know, they're not fingerprinting the entire song. They're just fingerprinting these tiny little portions. And they do it in a way where it's, I don't know the number, but it's the library that it's able to recognize is ridiculous. And its current, it's always current. Well, so this is something you can activate on your pixel phone.

00:57:47:19 - 00:58:13:25
Unknown
That just kind of happens ambient without you having to think about it. I think it's great. I look down at my phone, I'm like, oh, that's who this is. You know, it's just fun little bonus thing. But that apparently listening to you, I know, but but it's but it is. But it's not right. Like Google has has and I can't remember their explanation on on now playing because it's not like they're listening to a continuous stream of audio being fed in.

00:58:13:26 - 00:58:43:14
Unknown
Its these tiny little like snippets, is my understanding. Well, now, apparently there was an APK teardown of the Android system intelligence for the pixel ten, an app, and it looks like Google is exploring expansion of now playing beyond just the song ID features so that it's kind of ambient. Listening to conversations, important conversations that would run on device.

00:58:43:14 - 00:59:07:28
Unknown
It would run via private compute core and background conversations would be annotated or summarized or transcribed in some way, shape or form. It's hard to know exactly what what level or depth this would go to, but it's kind of like an AI pin but on your smartphone, which on the one hand makes sense. Why do you have to have the Pin when your phone can listen to you?

00:59:07:28 - 00:59:26:04
Unknown
And that proves it totally. On the other hand, of course we know we're going to see privacy. Oh yeah, complaints 100. You know, if you record a phone call in some states, you have to have the beep. Well, in some states, if it's two party consent, you have to have consent and you better record it. Otherwise you get sued.

00:59:26:09 - 00:59:44:08
Unknown
Yep. In others, you know, way back in the day when I was young, there were beeps on phone calls to radio stations because the radio station was saying, oh, you're being recorded. Well, of course you were. You called it a radio station. What's going to happen? Right. But this goes to the glasses question. You should see a light on the glasses of how you know you're being recorded on this.

00:59:44:08 - 01:00:08:15
Unknown
You won't know you're being recorded in a conversation. Well, it's going to freak people out. That's interesting. And along those lines, you know, there's probably a lot of that already going on. Yeah, right. As people use AI more, I think there's a lot more kind of recording happening. And like, is it the sort of thing that norms begin to change around this?

01:00:08:16 - 01:00:26:15
Unknown
Yeah, I don't know. It's a weird time. It's a weird time. I know a lot of people who send in their agent into a zoom meeting. Yes, they have that. And of course, also you. Now you can record the zoom and you can use the zoom AI and you know that that notifies. Yep. Yeah. So this is yeah, it's it's all around us.

01:00:26:18 - 01:00:52:25
Unknown
How how will people be notified though. That's going to be the real cross. It's going to be the norm being yeah for sure not being an actual product. But I think it's interesting. It's cool like yes please. Yeah. Yeah, it is a cool idea. I mean, as a teacher or as a student, I'd love to have it. And students for a long time have recorded, you know, lectures and had them transcribed.

01:00:52:27 - 01:01:06:06
Unknown
Now you can have them summarize so you can fall asleep through the whole lecture and then just, you know, take ten minutes of your life to find out what it was. But what about that time that you were having that conversation with that person over dinner and they said that one thing that you meant to write down, but you forgot to write it down.

01:01:06:06 - 01:01:30:06
Unknown
So now you'll never remember what they said. And dang it, I wish I had a recording or a summary of that point. And boop, here it is all. What about when you see all this come up as evidence in your divorce case? Yeah, right. Oh, God. Okay. That's the that's the flip side. Yes. Or in your employee, assessment.

01:01:30:08 - 01:01:47:26
Unknown
If you look what happened with the story earlier with meta, all this stuff was recorded, the keyboards, what they were doing record at all. Record everything. Yeah, everything. What did you accomplish? How busy were you? Oh my goodness. Yeah, that could go down. You said you didn't harass somebody. Well let's let's listen to the record. We have it differently.

01:01:47:26 - 01:02:15:13
Unknown
We have it here. Whether you like it or not. Anthropic has a new feature coming to Claude called Claude Tag. Actually, this is coming to Claude inside of slack. It's essentially it's a kind of like a presence, an AI presence bot or whatever you want to call it, inside of slack channels for teams. So it's constantly kind of gathering the context of the channel of the conversation that's happening there.

01:02:15:13 - 01:02:46:26
Unknown
It's following the conversations. Users inside of the channel can tag Claude inside of there to assign some of the related tasks. To break it into stages, use tools, report on results, all that kind of stuff inside of the slack thread and talking about ambient collection. This kind of happens. There's an ambient mode that basically proactively jumps into conversations to flag those items and to follow up on threads as it deems necessary.

01:02:46:26 - 01:03:08:20
Unknown
So ambient computing coming to AI. And this is very related to the earlier story about Google Audio memory, and very related to the meta story about all those, all those, all that data that they collected. It's the same thing is that I can I can give you service, as you said, ambient to your day. Yep, yep. You want me to make a reservation, boss, I got you.

01:03:08:22 - 01:03:52:25
Unknown
Yep. You got to be on their one of their paid team plans in order to get access to that. But it does look very, very interesting. Curious to play around with it. President US President Trump signed a couple of executive orders around quantum computing. The first one launches a national effort to build a quantum computer that's capable of scientific calculations of, you know, deemed important enough, I suppose, within five years, and then another one with a goal of migrating government computing to post quantum cryptography by 2031, I think it is for defending against quantum powered cyber attacks, or maybe just against mythos powered cyber something.

01:03:52:26 - 01:04:15:19
Unknown
Yeah, I don't know. Start with start with the mythos and then go to quantum. Yeah, I don't know how real we should consider quantum at the moment. I think it's getting real by the day. It is. And I mean the model of of, you know, how real AI in a similar capacity got and has gotten and continues to be.

01:04:15:22 - 01:04:35:18
Unknown
You know, it's hard not to look at quantum as the next phase of that to be like, okay, should we be taking this? You know, some people are probably like, should we be taking this more seriously now because we know of the way it's been with the proliferation of AI. But anyways, does still feel pretty early. But there we go.

01:04:35:20 - 01:05:00:10
Unknown
Notebook LM getting a big upgrade. Runs Gemini 3.5 Secure Cloud compute for running code. It can generate PDFs, spreadsheets, slide decks, data visualizations, and now you can start your research projects with loose ideas rather than needing the sources that you had to gather in advance. That's a big leap because it used to be part of the selling point from the book.

01:05:00:18 - 01:05:24:28
Unknown
Is it used only the data you gave it, only the documents you gave it, and now if you just have an idea, you can use Google search power to go off and find the documents that then become the basis of what you want to work on. Right? So it really fuzzies the line there between just plain old search, but AI enabled search, and does it kind of bring it closer to a product like perplexity?

01:05:25:01 - 01:05:45:06
Unknown
You know what I mean? It kind of has a similar kind of approach to something like perplexity, I suppose. But we should note that it's only available on the ultra plans, the $100 or $200 per month plan. Right. But I think they're just starting there. It'll be elsewhere. Yeah, and it'll trickle down. And then this last story I did not put in here, it kind of came in very last minute.

01:05:45:06 - 01:06:09:07
Unknown
Tell me a little bit about Alex. Boris is a Boris. Boris I think so I should know that I think so, yeah. So we had a lecture. We had a primary in New York yesterday and it's been one of the more interesting races there is the is the 12th district where that's you might have heard about it the rest of the country, because that's where Jack Schlossberg, President Kennedy's grandson, ran.

01:06:09:09 - 01:06:37:13
Unknown
He came in fourth. No, third. I'm sorry, but there are two main people who are running. Michael Lasher had the support of more of the, I would say, establishment forces. It's Jerry Nadler district now. And during Adler endorsed him. But we also had a guy named Alex Boris, who was interesting and had a lot of fans out there.

01:06:37:13 - 01:07:10:14
Unknown
And Boris had worked for Palantir and then anthropic. He was a state legislator. He introduced legislation for AI protection, so he was running hard on protecting the world from AI. And then the reason I'm mentioning this on this show, besides that obvious thing, is that AI money came pouring into the district of the fight. PACs associated with OpenAI went on an attack against Boris because he was going to regulate AI.

01:07:10:16 - 01:07:36:20
Unknown
There was a lot of theories out there that that only gave him more attention. Streisand effect. And then PACs associated with anthropic came back to spend more money on him to defend him. In the end, $27 million came into one district primary. It's just huge money of AI companies going after each other. And to me, the analysis here is it's not it wasn't pro or anti-air.

01:07:36:27 - 01:08:02:07
Unknown
It was this flavor of AI versus that flavor of right. Right. Yeah. It was Boris trying to argue in the in the definition of safety versus OpenAI and their definition of openness. And in the end, the reason I mentioned this show is that it didn't matter because Michael Asher won the race. And so $27 million was spent for the also ran character against and for.

01:08:02:07 - 01:08:26:13
Unknown
And it didn't matter and it didn't matter. Probably all that spending raised him up more. He got more votes because of it, but it wasn't enough. If Schlossberg had done better, maybe that could have made a difference, I don't know, but in the end, I was glad to see I wasn't sure about more. I have friends who were Big Boris supporters.

01:08:26:15 - 01:08:44:25
Unknown
They wanted me to come to an event, but I said I wasn't comfortable doing so because I just didn't know enough about him to be comfortable with him. But you know, he had plenty of fans and I'm sure there were plenty of fans listening in the tech world who liked him, and that's fine. But.

01:08:44:27 - 01:09:04:10
Unknown
Personally, I think this may be the right way to go because I think as people trying to exploit fears of AI for political reasons, and I just don't think it gets down to this level. If people care about housing, they care about Christ, they care about the Iraq War, they care about their jobs and employment, which also obviously touches on.

01:09:04:10 - 01:09:24:03
Unknown
But it's not that real yet. So I think this is a case where they're trying to make a big political issue out of this, and I just don't think it resonates. Yeah, that's what I was going to say. Not not yet potentially, potentially further down the line. Absolutely. Curious to see later this year how, you know if this is repeated in any pattern pattern sort of way.

01:09:24:06 - 01:09:50:14
Unknown
Yeah. We're also going to see pretty obvious media coverage. So Huffington Post said the AI industry successfully defeats its number one target. That is to say OpenAI went after Boris. Well, I think that was a naive analysis, right. That could have been one piece of the bigger picture. Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. Thank you for putting that in there. Okay.

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